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Post by fgdj2000 on Nov 1, 2015 3:04:45 GMT -5
Where is MGSV poorly designed, save for a missing fast travel system? And maybe - maybe - the relatively empty open world? Really? How about the game turning to sh*t after Mission 31? Why am I replaying chapter 1 missions on a harder setting? How is that main ops? And the few new missions that you actually get have nothing to do with the theme of the chapter, Race. wny am I forced to sit throgh the same helicopter scenes over and over? I can't skip them and they offer nothing useful. Why can't I take the chopper to various points on the map like at Mother Base? Most enemy outposts are damn near identical. Combined with an empty landscape it simply boring. Most main ops should be classified as side ops. Kill this guy... Rescue that guy... Destroy this vehicle... Retrieve that document. Pointless! Out 50 missions in the main ops only a handful actually move the story forward. Boss fights... Where are they? Surely not the Skulls, lol. Spamming your weapons into ammo sponges. Some of the worst boss fights I've ever seen. How do I start a new game? That's right, I can't. I have to erase my file and start over if I want to see most of the cutscenes. Why does item divelopment take so long? You acquire the funds but then have to wait additional time to develop the item? A lot of effort to acquire things, most of which isn't very useful. I can keep going, but frankly it's just frustrating. I am sorry, that you had such a poor experience with the game. Let's do this point by point. - To be fair the harder missions are all optional. You don't need to play them in order to unlock the story. And I think they offer nice spins on previous missions. Especially Subsistence. - the missing fast travel system is really one of the few issues I have with the game. But I didn't mind it as much as you. - I think the mission targets are actually a thematic evolution. Whereas in previous games the missions were all about saving the world, Now you are leading a PMC and just taking missions from whoever. I think this was a nice spin on the series and further muddled the borders between being a hero or being an anti-hero. plus, i think the mission design was great. Bases are very well crafted, although after x hours in the game, you might not notice this anymore. The greatest thing with the missions is that you truly have total freedom and we and dozens of other MgS players could sit at a table on a beer and tell us stories of what each of us had seen done or experienced on their missions. In a way the player becomes the storyteller and I think this is an ingenius aspect of the game. - bosses were a bit mediocre, thoudh the sniper battles with the skulls and quiet were great IMO and Eli was also good. I like the aspect that you can actually avoid all the boss fights in the game and just sneak or sprint through them. That's really unique. Well, with the exeption of Sahelanthropus and that was essentially like a Peace Walker AI fight. And I liked those, so. but yeah, I think a few more unique boss characters like quiet or Eli wouldn't have hurt the game. - as for your other two points, like the helicopter ride, they didn't bother me and this really is nitpicking for me. Also I felt weapon upgrades were worthwhile. all in all the more I think about it, the more a realize my main complaint with MGSV is that so much was spoiled in the trailers and gameplay previews. I would have liked to be genuinely surprised when Quiet joins my team or I discover DDog.
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Post by Cerberus_0408 on Nov 1, 2015 3:20:16 GMT -5
I think MGS3-4 had some of the more memorable boss battles. Not to mention the duel with the End, you could just snipe him beforehand or even let him die from old age. And there was a lot of freedom in MGS in general since you could tranq 'em, not just lethally drop them.
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Post by fgdj2000 on Nov 1, 2015 8:50:32 GMT -5
Yeah, have you actually played them? Because you're just repeating yourself and others here. How are you answering with your post on my comment other than just saying some useless stuff? I just don't get you.
Sure MGS3 had memorable boss battles. 4 not so much (save for Rex vs. Ray and Crying Wolf). You could tranq bosses, which you can do in MGSV as well. In another post you were actually complaining about MGSV being essentially a game about spamming tranq ammo into soldiers - well no more than MGS2-4, really. And now you are brigning this up as a positive point for older MGS games compared to MGSV? And how does that relate to my comment about boss battles?
Moving on, yes, The End was a really great boss battle, because it could go so many ways or you could just avoid them. So, what exactly is your point? In MGSV you can actually avoid ALL the bosses (except for Sahelanthropus and Eli): Sneak arround Quiet and never recruit her or run away from the Skulls. What is your point, dude? MGS3 was better than MGSV? Well, you can't really say that, can you?
Actually, I'm not even sure if you have ever played any of the games. I know you haven't played MGSV and MGS1 and, trusting as I am, I believe you when you claim to be playing MGSPW right now. Sooo, yeah. Trick or Treat?
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Post by Cerberus_0408 on Nov 1, 2015 16:03:09 GMT -5
Yeah, have you actually played them? Because you're just repeating yourself and others here. How are you answering with your post on my comment other than just saying some useless stuff? I just don't get you. Just for the record... I have played MGS2, 3, 4 and am doing PW currently. I intend to go through the original trilogy and have tried the demo for Rising The 'positive point' for older MGS games, compared to 5, was that in 3 you could get the enemy's camo if you used tranq's. I believe in 4 there's a reward for non-lethal KOs as well. How does this relate to your comment about boss battles? Well, I was just reminded about the option to take the bosses down with NLF. (Ie non-lethal force) MGS3 was better than 5 in a sense (as I mentioned above about the boss camo). But I can't say much, again.
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Post by A.G. on Nov 1, 2015 23:30:15 GMT -5
I would like to point out the futility of this. If you like MGS5 nobody is going to change your mind. Same if you didn't.
Personally I look at how long the game keeps me coming back. Not so much for the purposes of unlocking everything, but more for exploring and getting a better of understanding of the story. With MGS5, much like Uncharted 3, after I beat it I put it aside. Naturally I replayed Uncharted 3 several time since it came out. So I'm sure I'll revisit MGS5 at some point too. But it's nothing like the old MGS titles that i spent months going through and loving every minute of it.
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Post by fgdj2000 on Nov 3, 2015 1:04:37 GMT -5
Maybe you should also into account that you changed? Personally, I rarely replay games shortly after I finished then for the first time in general. But still I played probably 3 or 4 times at least through MGS1 back then.
Still, I don't think it's about changing someone's mind. This is a forum and for me it's about sharing your experiences and discuss it, not so much to change someone's mind, bbut more to gain a new perpective on some things.
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Post by Cerberus_0408 on Nov 3, 2015 3:14:30 GMT -5
I guess that's why Kojima rules the gaming industry in a sense. You can just select the areas you want to replay, not the entire game. It's also fun to look for alternate ways to take down enemies and interact with the environment.
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Post by A.G. on Nov 3, 2015 21:50:26 GMT -5
Maybe you should also into account that you changed? Personally, I rarely replay games shortly after I finished then for the first time in general. But still I played probably 3 or 4 times at least through MGS1 back then. Still, I don't think it's about changing someone's mind. This is a forum and for me it's about sharing your experiences and discuss it, not so much to change someone's mind, bbut more to gain a new perpective on some things. Not really. I spent a lot of times after The Last of Us replaying it. In fact, it's now one of the games that gets an annual replay. I can say the same about Uncharted 2 or Arkham City. As for changing people's minds, that's what forums usually aim at. It's a discussion for a short time until opinions don't match. Then it turns into an argument. I personally was never interested in how others saw these games. If you like or dislike something, that's your call. Everyone has their own opinion. Some people like Peace Walker more than MGS1 and MGS2... I think that's crazy, but it doesn't sway my perception of the series. The fact is, we are all equal in one thing, none of our opinions really matter.
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Post by fgdj2000 on Nov 4, 2015 14:32:43 GMT -5
I think that's a pretty sad view. I think hearing other people's opinions, no, actually listening to them can be an enriching experience. I can hate a game that many people like, discuss with people on a forum and eventually gain a new perspective on the game and appreciate why people like this game even. Maybe, I'll even give the game another shot and can at least appreciate it for what it is, which doesn't mean I like it. I'll never get Shenmue for instance. I think, it's a boring mess. But I get what people like about it and can appreciate the game for being an early precursor of Open World games... or something.
Of course, it all depends on the community.
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Post by Cerberus_0408 on Nov 4, 2015 15:49:25 GMT -5
I think that's a pretty sad view. I think hearing other people's opinions, no, actually listening to them can be an enriching experience. I can hate a game that many people like, discuss with people on a forum and eventually gain a new perspective on the game and appreciate why people like this game even. Maybe, I'll even give the game another shot and can at least appreciate it for what it is, which doesn't mean I like it. I'll never get Shenmue for instance. I think, it's a boring mess. But I get what people like about it and can appreciate the game for being an early precursor of Open World games... or something. Of course, it all depends on the community.
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Post by A.G. on Nov 4, 2015 23:47:08 GMT -5
I think that's a pretty sad view. I think hearing other people's opinions, no, actually listening to them can be an enriching experience. I can hate a game that many people like, discuss with people on a forum and eventually gain a new perspective on the game and appreciate why people like this game even. Maybe, I'll even give the game another shot and can at least appreciate it for what it is, which doesn't mean I like it. I'll never get Shenmue for instance. I think, it's a boring mess. But I get what people like about it and can appreciate the game for being an early precursor of Open World games... or something. Of course, it all depends on the community. This type of thinking can apply to many things, but gaming isn't one of them, in my opinion. Games are entertainment. It's fun, for you. Just like movies, it's there to entertain you. If people around me don't like Chuck Norris, that doesn't mean I won't go see Expendables 2. It's fun for me. When it comes to entertainment I really don't care if others disagree. Nor do I care if they like something else. It's your thing to have fun with. I have friends that love Destiny. I think it's garbage. But it doesn't mean I think they shouldn't play it. Fact is, it doesn't matter what I think about what they like as entertainment. It's none of my business.
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Post by fgdj2000 on Jan 31, 2016 14:55:44 GMT -5
And yet you open up a forum about Metal Gear and essentially make other people's opinions your business... I think you missed my point. Yeah, sure, many people can't enjoy something unless they know a lot of others enjoy it, too. It is really sad for those people. What I was really aiming at was that you could miss out on something good if you go into it with the wrong mindset or expectations and discussing your experience can give you a new angle and maybe you'll enjoy a game more than before... or not. For instance, you may see the missions in MGSV as boring and repetetive, but once you hear from someone else that the appeal of them is to experiment and that each MGS fan essentially has his or her own story to tell from these missions, then, if this is your thing, you may actually come to like the missions of MGSV when you previously didn't "get" them. Of course, it's perfectly alright, if this doesn't change your opinion or you realise the missions still don't do it for you dispite their freedom, because story and setting is your main motivator and just doesn't click with you in this case.
In short, if you think a game is sh*t then chances are, nobody will change your opinion. However, sometimes, a new perspective can make you realise that a game you thought was sh*t actually is pretty good.
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Post by Cerberus_0408 on Feb 1, 2016 0:16:53 GMT -5
Yeah? Can you give a few examples??
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Post by A.G. on Feb 2, 2016 0:06:26 GMT -5
And yet you open up a forum about Metal Gear and essentially make other people's opinions your business... Not really. I made MGF originally as a source of info. Back then there was no Wikipedia and official web had nothing. The forum was just a normal thing to add. But even here, the forum is more of a place for me to express my point of view. Not really concerned if others agree with me or not. I made MGF to express my passion for the series.
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