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Post by fgdj2000 on May 5, 2020 15:32:47 GMT -5
It all boils down to originally he wanted in canon. But they did a sh*t job so they gradually phased it out and Peace Walker was built as a replacement. I believe that’s why he did it in the PSP, to have one of HIS games on that system. I think "a sh*t job" is a little harsh. It was a competent game that also had a Metal Gear-esque story. There are far worse games even in the series. Also consider that they probably had a much smaller budget than Peace Walker and relied on re-using assets from MGS3. That being said, it does lack the quality of Kojima's games. I think, I read in an interview, that Kojima's kids played Pokémon and/ or Monster Hunter excessively and that this sparked his interest in developing a hand-held game. I personally don't get the impression that Kojima has a big ego, even though it appears like that, when he plasters his name and likeness all over his product. To me, it always feels more like a quality stamp. I mean, in interviews he never talks about how great he or his games are, but just what his goals are with each game and how it tries to translate that to the game's mechanics.
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Post by Cerberus_0408 on May 6, 2020 0:00:49 GMT -5
In terms of PW being present on the handheld consoles, I think it rather bullsh*t that the game originally came out on the PSP, but could never be ported to the Vita. Given the few buttons on the Portable, the Vita has a touchpad both on the FRONT and BACK. And remember it ALSO has TWO analog sticks. So I hate how Peace Walker was NEVER available for the PSV.
I also hate how the US PS store has a sh*tload of content as compared to the other stores in Europe and Japan. For whatever reason, Australia's store uses the stuff from Europe. So, for example, there was actually once when I got a PS1 game from the PS store, but didn't realise that the game had a 2nd disc (it was originally released in 2 discs). So I only have HALF the game in Europe but the US obviously has the WHOLE game.
Also, as for the interview, is there a link where I can watch it? I wanna clarify what exactly Kojima said, given the fact that SO MANY interviews were misquoted, especially in relation to whether or not PO is truly canon.
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Post by fgdj2000 on May 6, 2020 8:12:26 GMT -5
Wasn't Peace Walker one of the PSP games that worked on the Vita (via digital purchase).
Oh and you can swop to the second disc in the PS3/ PSVita Menu (where you can also choose whether to use analog or digital mode or which virtual memory card to use).
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Post by A.G. on May 6, 2020 20:04:01 GMT -5
I remember that Kojima interview. He was asked directly if MPO is canon. He danced around the question saying some parts are and some aren’t. Which means it’s not.
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Post by Cerberus_0408 on May 6, 2020 20:11:11 GMT -5
Wasn't Peace Walker one of the PSP games that worked on the Vita (via digital purchase). Oh and you can swop to the second disc in the PS3/ PSVita Menu (where you can also choose whether to use analog or digital mode or which virtual memory card to use). I don't know for sure if PW CAN be purchased on the Vita, remember, the Aus PS store has content from Europe. And the US store has EVERYTHING. But the Europe store, and thus Australia's store, do NOT have the stuff that the Americans have. As for the second disc, this actually does not work I'm afraid. I wish I had a video to show it, but basically, when I complete the C-130 Crash level, I have to switch disks. I go into my PS button and select 'Change disk', only for the screen to read 'WRONG DISC INSERTED'. By the way, the game I'm talking about is Syphon Filter 2. It is pretty damn similar to MGS, given that both series feature a virus that can specifically target certain victims and leave other people unharmed. Edit, the American PSN version is 899MB while the Europe PSN version is 880MB. So the US has both discs, but Europe and Australia only have 1 disc.
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Post by Cerberus_0408 on May 6, 2020 20:12:08 GMT -5
I remember that Kojima interview. He was asked directly if MPO is canon. He danced around the question saying some parts are and some aren’t. Which means it’s not. And that's the problem. I somehow like it that parts of it are, and others aren't. Why can't he make the WHOLE thing foolproof and just say outright "zis eez canon" or the opposite? Lmfao
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Post by A.G. on May 6, 2020 22:07:12 GMT -5
I personally stopped caring what he said about the canon after MGS4. I made up my own mind about what I accept as canon. The Gray Fox and Granin points are evidence that Kojima isn’t perfect.
Thing is, MPO touched on some general events that technically are canon. But those events were already outlined by the MGS3 timeline before the credits. We already know that Fox disbanded and that Foxhound and The Patriots were formed. MPO mentions that. So that’s the canon part. But the new story it offers isn’t canon as none of those elements are ever referenced in MPW or MGS5. Once again, anything regarding Null is undone by MG2.
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Post by Cerberus_0408 on May 7, 2020 2:38:32 GMT -5
I guess it's like Kojima mentioned them in PO but somehow he forgot to reference them in PW and GZ. Lmfao again
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Post by fgdj2000 on May 7, 2020 5:12:20 GMT -5
I remember that Kojima interview. He was asked directly if MPO is canon. He danced around the question saying some parts are and some aren’t. Which means it’s not. At first, but then he basically revised that statement to the division between "Hideo Kojima games" and "Not-Hideo Kojima" games, which Cerberus posted above. I think he stuck with the "it's still canon" answer, because he didn't want to disrespect the people who worked on it. As I said before, he doesn't seem to have an ego. Even now, he doesn't talk about how poorly he was treated by Konami eventually... though admittedly, he probably signed a non-disclosure agreement.
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Post by fgdj2000 on May 7, 2020 5:15:16 GMT -5
I remember that Kojima interview. He was asked directly if MPO is canon. He danced around the question saying some parts are and some aren’t. Which means it’s not. And that's the problem. I somehow like it that parts of it are, and others aren't. Why can't he make the WHOLE thing foolproof and just say outright "zis eez canon" or the opposite? Lmfao In the end, you have to make up your own mind. Do you like the game and it's story and can explain contradictions in your head-canon away (or don't care about them too much)? Then just enjoy the game for what it is. If you don't, then leave it out or treat it as an alternate universe or a proto-peace walker/ the phantom pain, that's no longer canon. Same goes for Metal Gear Rising. I love that game, but I place it in an alternate timeline, because I like how Raiden has a happy end in MGS4.
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Post by Cerberus_0408 on May 7, 2020 14:55:46 GMT -5
Doesn't Raiden have a happy ending in Rising, tho?
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Post by fgdj2000 on May 7, 2020 16:40:51 GMT -5
Doesn't Raiden have a happy ending in Rising, tho? No. The whole game's story is a bogus parody at best. Raiden basically realizes the opposite of MGS4. Whereas in MGS4 (and also MGS2), he realized that despite his past and all the killing he did as a soldier, he can be a better man and settles for a family, for love, for life essentially, not killing. In Rising, he realizes, that he was always a killer and it's okay, even gets a power up mechanic. It's honestly laughably bad But the whole game plays like a really well made B-Movie, comparable to a Tarantino film, maybe. Cool fighting mechanics and really cool Boss fights, and when you finally face Senator Armstrong, you realize, this B-Movie quality has to be intentional. But I'd never in a minute consider it canon.
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