The Sons of Big Boss

[thebrotheroflight]

This thread is an embarrasment to this fine community of Metal Gear Solid lovers. Solidus Snake is as much a real son of Big Boss as I am. Solidus is a clone. Why doesn't Jackyl or AG say that out straight so we can end this useless and painful debate?

Big Boss is sterile. I haven't heard anything about him being impotent. Seriously, Gena, play the game which you hate so much. Did you skip every FMV during the last part of the game? But didn't you say the only part you liked in SE was the ending?

[creepy little bastard], read the MGS2 script, play MGS2 and MGS1, and read official bios. Every bit of info you can get out of them, put it together. You can't argue on this one.

If you keep nagging about this, I'll look at you like I looked at you when you said GB was part of the main timeline.

[blacknail]

Snake is a clone. Liquid is a clone. Solidus is a clone. Big Boss was sterile, that is why The Boss was drawn to him. He could still do it, but he would shoot blanks, as you might say. Solidus has increased aging, and Snake was begining to experience it before MGS2. Read the script in the Document of MGS2 (Came with Substance on the PAL version, like the Making of did with the origional.) he remembers this when Liquid is talking to him near the end of the Tanker Chapter.

[The Mad Jackyl]

Good post, Blacknail. You a new member? Welcome to the board. I don't see how anyone could argue with that post. I'm sure that's why they decided to create clones of him using DNA - because he was sterile.

[[creepy little bastard]]

dude, his balls could have been shot at but ha! he wasn't affected from the Bikini Atoll MTF!!! ;D

[The Dumpster Keeper]

Nobody ever said he wasn't affected.

[[creepy little bastard]]

and nobody never said he was, and no one will, onlyt Kojima can decide that

[Otty]

I can explain the increased aging of Solidus Blacknail,


Solidus' cells would be in a simulated older state. When your cells age, you age.

Cells are the most basic units that make up humans and all living things. According to popular theory, cells deteriorate over time and this biochemical deterioration reduces the cells' ability to replicate (and thereby produce fresh copies). As a result, the body can't replace older and sickly cells as quickly as before.

The visible effects of reduced cell replication, like wrinkled skin and slower blood clotting, are known to many as human aging. Solidus apparently has a premature aging condition, one that could be genetically engineered or completely natural. Snake is afflicted too, but his aging condition isn't as advanced as Solidus'.

Genes are believed to have some effect on the longevity of cells (i.e., how long before they have to be replaced). Solidus might've been engineered in such a way that his cells would "wear out" sooner, or at a faster rate, than the other Snakes.

For example, he could've been engineered to reach the state of Big Boss' physical prime more quickly than Snake and Liquid. President Johnson says Solidus is "neither Solid nor Liquid...a well-balanced masterpiece," so Solidus does seem to be genetically different somehow.

On the other hand, his aging could be an unexpected side effect from the cloning process. Or, his condition could be completely unrelated to being cloned. Progeria is a real aging condition that causes children to mature so quickly they die within several years. This fatal condition is present at birth and extremely rare, but you might've seen children with progeria on daytime TV talk shows or in tabloid newspapers ("The world's oldest 4 year old!").

The exact factors that determine the rate of aging are not known, so it's unclear how Solidus had come to look so old. The only sure thing is that his body cells--and thus his whole body--are in a biochemical state as though they are really old.

President Johnson says Solidus is the "third Snake...[who'd been] preceded by Solid and Liquid" Snake. In one of the MGS endings, Ocelot refers to Solidus as "the third one." The three Snakes are the same general age, yet Solidus would seem to be the last one born.

The main thing to remember is the difference between biological and chronological age. A discrepancy between these two things is logically possible--people with the progeria condition are living proof. Solidus is the "oldest" Snake biologically, but time-wise he is actually the youngest Snake.

[[creepy little bastard]]

he's Big Boss's son, born in 1964 = mid 40's in MGS2 [2009]

[blacknail]

I agree with Otty. I couldn't explain his aging, but thankyou for explaining it in a few theories, most of which I actually share. Thankyou for the welcome, Jackyl.

At the end of MGS3, before the credit roll, it does have the Les Enfant Terribes project on the timeline, and underneath says "The Sons of Big Boss are born" so even Hideo considers them the sons of Big Boss, as I always have, even though I have known all 3 of them are clones. Also, Solidus' aging could be part of The Patriot's plan?