GTA4 - Perfect?

[A.G.]

LOL! The reviews are damn near perfect for this game! Wow... I really do laugh at the American society at this point, I truly do. Something as idiotic as GTA is getting such a heavy hype and response. It really is a testement to how low the American people have sank in terms of evoluation. Something so brainless and downright WRONG is "The Game To Get". Sad, just sad!

[lueluxacky]

lol Dont hate man. What makes this game good isnt the violence, but the freedom. With this technology, it;s literally a virtual city where ANYTHING is possible.

I hated the lasts GTA games because it just tried to expand the area of the sandbox (and the gangbanging in SA was just lame), but this one goes back to the roots and that is freedom that throws you into a new world.

And believe it or not, the story is good this time around!haha I dont own it, but Ive played it at my friend's house and the story isnt cheesy or lame or anything like that. It's pretty Hollywood-ish.

True, the random violence aspect of the game is which is what 99.9% of the gaming community is attracted to(and that IS sad), but many fail to realize the amazing technological leap this game has made. This is like GTAIII all over again. And I think that's whats making this game get so many good reviews.

lol gotta think outside the box and think about this game in a technological value. And fun value too, cause that's what this game is; just fun. If youre not into the GTA type games, then of course youre not gonna like it but lol doesnt mean it's bad.

I mean, who doesnt love when things like this happens hahahahahaha



btw i made a topic about lol

[A.G.]

I never put down the technical aspect of the game, I was talking about the very concept. That's the sad part. The best selling games of all time center around either a criminal with mindless violence or cyborg marine blowing-up aliens. I'm amazed just how violent in nature the American public truly is. Movies are one thing, but now you have kids playing a virtual simulation of rubbing people, killing them, and confronting the police.

And yet, after all that, people wonder why there are school shootings... It really is amazing just how stupid people are not to see the cause. Like you said, the game is very open and realistic. Well... maybe that's not such a good thing given the concept of the game.

[shadowf0x]

Well I have mixed feelings about GTA in general, I can value AG's point because well...he has a point this game is friggin mindless at times, and Luelaxacky (WTF does your name mean BTW?) is also right I liked this game because of the freedom it gave you and because I do things in this game that I wouldnt dare do in real-life, and I dont mean shooting at the Police thats been a fantasy of mine for a while now..ok ok just kidding.....but stealing cars, murdering people for absolutely NO REASON...no reason people remember I said that and jacking cars but this game does always make leaps and bounds in terms of gameplay...but yeah seriously some people are just f...ckin stupid mainly kids who seem they cant distinguish reality from virtual reality and they go out and do stupid sh*t that gives these games and gamers bad names....Thats why in the future the f...ckin U.S Government or whatever is gonna use Video games for mind control..seriously.

Now in the last few years since the release of the PS2 GTA3, there have been shootings related to the game and then they blame it on Grand Theft Auto, like those kids back in 2002 or 2003 who bought a friggin AK-47 or something they went to a freeway entrance and started shooting at driver's and they blamed it on "OH I did it all the time in Grand Theft Auto 3" I mean these mother f...ckers should be uethenized (I know I probably didnt spell that word correctly but bere with me), and just this morning I heard on a Radio show how this Seven year old kid jumped into his Grandmother's SUV and stole it, he rammed a whole bunch of mail-boxes and cars probably did thousands of dollars in damage and didnt even get down the end of the block before Police, finally stopped the kid. I mean where the hell do these type of games take society man for real, You didnt hear about this type of stuff 15 or hell even 10 years ago so the question comes out...WTF. Bully the video game, wasnt that bad as the game critics thought but regardless I think RockStar, is kind of taking the easy way out when they develop games and say "HEY LETS MARKET REAL LIFE EVENTS INTO A VIDEO GAME FOR PEOPLE WHO DONT HAVE LIVES!!!" I mean shiiiiit cheap thrills man...cheap thrills.

[A.G.]

That is why Japan does not respect US gaming in general. Japan agrees on putting violence into a game, but there has to be a point to it. There has to be a reason for it. US gaming does not really care about values or content effect on people. They just want to make the explosions look cool.

I think that is the reason I like Metal Gear. It CAN be a violent game, but it's giving you a CHOICE! And the game does not reward mindless shooting around. Not to mention the story teaches you about the world around you and even gives you philosophies to consider.

[lueluxacky]

Apr 30, 2008 10:33:04 GMT -5 A.G. said:

I never put down the technical aspect of the game, I was talking about the very concept. That's the sad part. The best selling games of all time center around either a criminal with mindless violence or cyborg marine blowing-up aliens. I'm amazed just how violent in nature the American public truly is. Movies are one thing, but now you have kids playing a virtual simulation of rubbing people, killing them, and confronting the police.

And yet, after all that, people wonder why there are school shootings... It really is amazing just how stupid people are not to see the cause. Like you said, the game is very open and realistic. Well... maybe that's not such a good thing given the concept of the game.

Thats why this game is NOT for kids. Here's where the blame falls on the parents for being bad parents and letting them play M rated games.

Oh and...

kotaku.com/380761/kids-who-dont-play-video-games-are-at-risk

...yeah.

[A.G.]

Yes, you do have that factor. But, games like that should not be made. Why? Because you are glorifing things that are NOT GOOD! Just because we CAN make something does not mean we SHOULD.

[cernex]

Apr 30, 2008 12:03:33 GMT -5 A.G. said:

Yes, you do have that factor. But, games like that should not be made. Why? Because you are glorifing things that are NOT GOOD! Just because we CAN make something does not mean we SHOULD.

And MGS glorifies stealth killing. Yeah...

(Not that I'm complaining).

In any case, GTA has always been pretty "bleh" on my map. Sure it's fun (I remember being quite adicted to one of the PSP versions), but only because I wanted to see what the hell was going to happen to the guy.

I think that over-analizing things is not a good thing to do. If you find a game and you think it's fun, play it. If you don't, then DON'T play it (Uncharted, as a recent example). People have different tastes, and suddenly stating which tastes are good and which ones are bad is pretty darn pointless... I mean, just look at Jack Thompson.

In any case (and keeping this thing on topic), I couldn't care any less about reviews. Ever since the great 3D CV debacle, and (more recently) the Halo-reviews crapfest, I stopped caring.

The only fair Halo review I ever heard was Yahtzee's, actually. I'll summarize it with one phrase "Bioshock is better"

[A.G.]

It's not a matter of choice. "Don't like it, don't play it". I'm sorry, but in a society that is so violent, there should not an option for a game like that. You bring Metal Gear as an example. But if you read what I wrote, I already mentione MG in this topic. Metal Gear gives you the choice. The choice to kill or not to kill. The choice to complete the game with minimal violence. Not to mention to teach not only about the world around you but about life in general. What does GTA teach you? Nothing! The goal of the game, correct me if I'm wrong, is to go from a nobody criminal to a crime lord by doing various wrongdoings. Correct? That's all you do, commit crimes to "raise your status". How stupid is it to actually develop a game like that? Think about it, you got a game where you are the bad guy!

[Black Snake]

The fact is that GTA IV, San Andreas, Vice City and GTA III all got near perfect reviews because of the amount of violence and gore and the freedom go around and do what you want without even touching the story. If this is the stuff you need to put into a game to get perfect reviews and sold copies, than obviously more games like that are going to be made. No one really wants to play any story based, linear games anymore.

[A.G.]

Look, I’m not saying the game needs to be story-oriented. I think that open environments and a departure from the linear path is a good step forward. My point is the subject matter of the game. You play as bad guy, committing rather random acts of violence against society, and you are rewarded for it. Think of Metal Gear. You rewarded for using as little violence as possible. When a game is as popular as GTA, you really have an opportunity to send a message. Instead, the game personifies the very things we are taught not to do. It’s not like a military game where you fight against soldiers, here you have the freedom to harm regular people. You may not think that it leaves an impression, but it does. Metal Gear left a lot of permanent impressions on me; the way I look at the world and the way I look at life. It’s not entirely out of reason to assume that GTA leaves it’s own imprint on gamers.

Look up an old Atari game called “Custer’s Revenge”. That’s the original GTA. The subject matter of both is equally disgusting and disturbing. Here’s a link to it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer's_Revenge GTA is really on the same level as that game.

[cernex]

May 1, 2008 10:57:14 GMT -5 A.G. said:

Look up an old Atari game called “Custer’s Revenge”. That’s the original GTA. The subject matter of both is equally disgusting and disturbing. Here’s a link to it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer's_Revenge GTA is really on the same level as that game.

Eeeh, that's a bit over-the-top, Aiiji. One game's goal is to survive as a hitman for the mob, the other's about RAPE. You, quite literally, get points for RAPING.

Raping is not the same as killing. Not even joking.

[The Mad Jackyl]

I don't know about you guys, but I've never been huge into the Grand Theft series because I have trouble identifying with all the characters - I mean, I can't get very emotionally tied up in the character's story from any of the games. I usually find the main guy dull and uninteresting, just a cardboard stand-in who's only goal is to pretty much not die all the time while doing as much crazy stuff as possible. The games are pretty interesting for just how much you can do though, it's almost inexhaustible. Just can't get interested in the character's story arc.

[A.G.]

Raping is not the same as killing. Not even joking.

I didn't say they were the exact same. I said that the subject matter is equally unacceptable. And as for the rape/murder comparison... they are not THE SAME, but they are on the same level, and very often connected.

[lueluxacky]

May 2, 2008 1:38:14 GMT -5 The Mad Jackyl said:

I don't know about you guys, but I've never been huge into the Grand Theft series because I have trouble identifying with all the characters - I mean, I can't get very emotionally tied up in the character's story from any of the games. I usually find the main guy dull and uninteresting, just a cardboard stand-in who's only goal is to pretty much not die all the time while doing as much crazy stuff as possible. The games are pretty interesting for just how much you can do though, it's almost inexhaustible. Just can't get interested in the character's story arc.

Like I said, the story's more engrossing this time around. The main character is someone you actually care about. GT's review puts it perfect words:

www.gametrailers.com/player/33326.html

Just watch the first two and a half minutes for the story part.