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Post by A.G. on Aug 31, 2008 21:27:06 GMT -5
OK, so I was curious to test the waters. When I posted my collection here I decided to finally open a TUS account and put it up there. After that I drifted to their MPO section and engaged in some arguments. The results were incredible!!! Some of those guys are truly the Snake's Revenge of the MG community!!! ;D I commented here on MPO: www.metalgearsolid.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=27011&start=35Look at the things I had to explain! Snake in MGS2 has the same suit as he did in MGS1?! LOL How about MPO not using the same character models as MGS3? Wow... But it doesn't stop there. I then posted a separate topic to push things a bit further: www.metalgearsolid.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=30524I am convinced now that the forum is filled with kids that started out with TTS and don't know sh*t outside of it. Shameful that those that posted in those topics actually call themselves MG fans. I've heard bad things about the TUS forums, but now I saw it for myself. |
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Post by Otty on Sept 3, 2008 23:08:30 GMT -5
HAHAHAH
That's why this place is so great, here you have people who KNOW what they are talking about.
You've pointed out EVERYTHING, time after time you've proven yourself right. How hard is it to understand that MPO isn't a main game, it's cannon though. Geez... face the facts for once.
I guess we've finally come face to face with a new generation of MGS fans. Don't challenge the old.
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Post by A.G. on Sept 4, 2008 1:05:36 GMT -5
Ahh... the TTS Generation! ;D
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Post by cernex on Sept 4, 2008 15:53:43 GMT -5
Meh, they're "virtual" fans, lol. Lot's of VG training, no real Metal Gear experience.
EDIT: I actually invested some time to read all that stuff and... man, even anomaly and me could make more VALID points than those guys. And that's saying a lot.
EDIT 2: I really, REALLY had to post on your second topic. That "same engine" crap really made me mad.
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Post by A.G. on Sept 4, 2008 16:31:08 GMT -5
Well honestly, how do you look at MPO as a separate entity from MGS3?! You know? Every game in the series has unique character models and unique abilities. They LOOK and PLAY different. MPO is a cheap downgrade of MGS3, with all the cool innovation replaced by a poorly designed (and redundant) "squad" gameplay.
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Post by cernex on Sept 4, 2008 16:34:58 GMT -5
Lol. Read my post on the TUS forum,  |
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Post by A.G. on Sept 4, 2008 20:10:47 GMT -5
nice!
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Post by cernex on Sept 4, 2008 21:04:02 GMT -5
I would like to help you in your discussion in that tread. Unfortunately, 1) I haven't played it in a LOOOONG time; and 2) I believe, as simple as it gets, that a Metal Gear game not directed by Kojima is not a main game. All the "bit by bit" discussion going on there is, in reality, out of my league. Wish I could help more, thou. All I could do, however, was that game engine bit. (You can thank John Carmack and this VERY GEEKY vids: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VObuwLdYR8M&feature=related ) EDIT: Something that I noticed on the tread, though ,is that you, "stuburns", and "BlackHole@U" are sing wrong arguments for the game engine discussion. In short, you're using GAMEPLAY mechanics when trying to differentiate game engines. That's not how it works. Game Engines, though they DO add (and remove) things game-play wise, are more often used to change how the game is made... how the graphics and... Well, to put it simple: how the damn processor builds the houses and the characters the "code" was programmed to. The game runs at different clock-set, the pixels are loeaded faster, the characters run smoother, the FPS... that kind of thing. Just, next time you're arguing that sort of thing, don't use gameplay to make your point. Because gameplay and game-engine are two different things. |
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Post by A.G. on Sept 4, 2008 21:42:05 GMT -5
But isn't MPO using the game engine of MGS3?
And on the related note, what do you call what I'm talking about then? Character move, act, and have the same abilities as in MGS3. Even the AI is the same. So what do you call that?
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Post by cernex on Sept 4, 2008 21:46:31 GMT -5
But isn't MPO using the game engine of MGS3? In a sense, yes (it's an inferior port with added gimmicks to compensate), but your REASONS behind that fact are flawed. Mention the sprite-rate, frame-rate, game design, lighting casters, shadows-sets... you know, those kind of things. Not gameplay things, because there ARE differences between MGS3 and PO gameplay wise (mostly gimmick-wise, but differences non-the-less). A.I configuration (or "behaviour" or even "pattern", though that last one make some programmers snigger for whatever reason) and Character architecture. Don't look at me like that, YOU asked me,  |
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Post by A.G. on Sept 4, 2008 21:57:16 GMT -5
No, no, this is very helpful. I know the concepts but not the technical terms to explain them.
As for the argument, I am right though. The Game Engine is the same, though with tweaks and simplifications. But what is also the same is the AI Configuration and Character Architecture. See, I mashed it all under the same term "Game Engine".
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Post by cernex on Sept 4, 2008 22:22:06 GMT -5
No, no, this is very helpful. I know the concepts but not the technical terms to explain them. As for the argument, I am right though. The Game Engine is the same, though with tweaks and simplifications. But what is also the same is the AI Configuration and Character Architecture. See, I mashed it all under the same term "Game Engine". *thumbs up* Though be careful, there are several ways you can name those things. Some more research in that sort of technobable (and we all know how good you are in researching) will surely come in handy. |
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Post by lueluxacky on Sept 4, 2008 23:13:18 GMT -5
so sad.
not just them, but you as well. for a site you dislike so much you sure like to keep bringing them up. even going so far as to post things that are OBVIOUSLY gonna start heated arguments. for what? to make yourself feel better about yourself? to make fun of them? let them think whatever they want, geez. it's called opinions. if you dont consider it a main game, alrighty then. let's throw a party! no need to start unnecessary arguments about it on other forums though. especially on forums from a site you so wanna nuke so it doesnt exist in this earth anymore.
seriously. LET. IT. GO.
are you serious? so having different opinions about something doesnt make one a fan? last time i checked the dictionary, a fan is someone who appreciates a piece of work. no matter what it is, how it's done, whether it's a piece of crap or not, etc. just because they like a game more than you do makes them less of a fan? get off your high horse already! we're ALL fans of metal gear. we all like metal gear; some like other games more than others, but having different views on different games from the series doesnt make people "not fans".
and yes. not everyone has been around for 10-20 years following the series from the start. is that SO BAD? what's so bad about getting into the series just recently and liking twin snakes? many people never played the ninja gaiden games during the NES era, but those same people that have played the recent games love the series already. does that make the series less enjoyable? does that make them less fans? does that mean they're all lame for liking the later games and not knowing about the NES ones? same for metal gear. not everyone is 20+ years old who owned MSXs and played the first games. not everyone got into metal gear back in 1988. so what? so because of that they're automatically "not fans"? ha! i was never around for the beatles, i just started listening to their albums a couple years ago. i guess that doesnt make me a fan then!
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Post by cernex on Sept 4, 2008 23:18:13 GMT -5
Wow. Biggest party-pooper ever.
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Post by A.G. on Sept 4, 2008 23:47:22 GMT -5
WTF are you taking about?!  1. You didn't read the posts in that thread, that's very clear. 2. I originally went there to post my collection pics and that topic was never intended to start any issues. 3. You are taking things out of perspective. It's not a matter of how long you've been a fan, it's a matter of understanding the series. If you are under the impression that Twin Snakes matters AT ALL, in any shape or form, then yes... I will question it. And like I said, you didn't read the topics. I didn't put them down because they like Twin Snakes, I put them down because they don't know anything about Metla Gear history and yet they still like to argue. They have no understanding about the series evolution. That is what I put down. lueluxacky, you are way off base. First of all, the original topic about MPO wasn't started by me. I stated the second one that was, more or less, a continuation in a different direction. Second, I did it for the sake of actually talking about it. Don't know if you noticed, but this place isn't all that active. So, forgive me for having a conversation about Metal Gear somewhere else. And if immature sh*ts decided to turn it into an argument then so be it. This wasn't a TUS vs MGF, as you would LOVE to believe, it was ME, being f...cking bored! Do we have active topics about things like that? No, we do not. So if I want to go somehere else and start some discussions and/or arguments, then that's what I'll do. Don't bring up any site wars again. I haven't actually competed with other sites in YEARS. But hey, you're all for different opinions...right? So go ahead and believe what ever you want about my intentions. I really don't give a crap! AAAAGH!!!! OK... calmness... I feel better now.  Now then, instead of pointing fingers and shaking your head, why not discuss some Metal Gear nitnacks. That's what this place is for, afterall. |
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Now then, instead of pointing fingers and shaking your head, why not discuss some Metal Gear nitnacks. That's what this place is for, afterall.