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[fgdj2000]

The HD Collection was botched? I thought, the MGS HD Col. was a huge hit. At least, I don't see any copies left in our stores. However, the ZOE HD Col. was a failure, mostly because they handed development to High Voltage Games, who did a poor job multiple times (I think they also did the Jak & Dexter HD Col.).

[Cerberus_0408]

I meant the SILENT HILL HDC, thus the 'SH', lmfao. And yeah, ZoE in general was doomed from the start with the way that they marketed it. They put more emphasis on the fact that Kojima created it, that it ran on the same engine as MGS2, and that an MGS2 demo came with it than the fact that it was actually a standalone game that existed. Despite the games being awesome and receiving good reviews, the series never sold particularly well and always had a very small niche/cult fanbase as a result. Thus the reasoning for the HDC's horrid reception.

Doesn't help that Kojima kept trolling with ZoE3 until he announced that it was in apparent development, only to then pretty much cancel it again to go jack off to more MGS games forever.

[fgdj2000]

Oh, yeah, that one was awful apparenly. As for ZOE: It didn't help that the first game was centered around a melodramatic plot featuring a little kid, emulating Neon Genesis Evangelion, but without NGE's edge. But the sequel was pretty groundbreaking.

[Cerberus_0408]

1.MGS HDC was certainly a HUGE hit. But I personally have some problems with regard to target lock in the VR missions and might need some help, if you can offer it.

2.SH HDC...here's a description of its problems from the wiki. "It is often criticized by long-time Silent Hill fans and cited to be one of the worst HD remasters and ports created in the history of video gaming, not only due to technical problems, but also due to artistic changes from the original presentation (listed below). As such, many fans consider the HD Collection to be inferior to the original releases and recommend playing the original releases instead, and only play the HD Collection as an extreme last resort."

silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Silent_Hill_HD_Collection#Technical_issues

It was sh*t 'cos they outsourced it to a sh*t company, same thing happened with the Zone of the Enders HD Collection, except that Kojima Productions actually listens to their fans and patched it eventually (granted, it took nearly a year).

But, yes, Silent Hill doesn't exactly have the best marketing. A main problem there being that when Silent Hill 1 came out on the PS1, it was the Golden Age of the Resident Evil franchise, and Silent Hill and Resident Evil 2 were major competitors. Konami probably thought, at the time, that any amount of marketing they put into Silent Hill wasn't going to help, so they just pumped out a few magazine ads, maybe one commercial (that, if I remember correctly, wasn't allowed to air during the daytime) but they kept sending preview copies to all the magazines. I remember a huge amount of publicity through gaming magazines at the time, specifically PSM, because I think they churned out six or seven previews, two of them cover stories. After this, I bet Konami just kept up the tradition, since the first game gained a cult following.

3.Slight warning, the protagonist of ZoE is some whiny little brat that no one likes (including 99.9% of the people who play the game) but thankfully the game doesn't have 10-hour long cutscenes/ radio chatter like MGS does. On a positive note, ZOE 2's protagonist was a badass, and you get to kick the protagonist of the first game's ass at some point in the game.

[fgdj2000]

Jun 12, 2016 17:46:17 GMT -5 Cerberus_0408 said:

1.MGS HDC was certainly a HUGE hit. But I personally have some problems with regard to target lock in the VR missions and might need some help, if you can offer it.

2.SH HDC...here's a description of its problems from the wiki. "It is often criticized by long-time Silent Hill fans and cited to be one of the worst HD remasters and ports created in the history of video gaming, not only due to technical problems, but also due to artistic changes from the original presentation (listed below). As such, many fans consider the HD Collection to be inferior to the original releases and recommend playing the original releases instead, and only play the HD Collection as an extreme last resort."

silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Silent_Hill_HD_Collection#Technical_issues

It was sh*t 'cos they outsourced it to a sh*t company, same thing happened with the Zone of the Enders HD Collection, except that Kojima Productions actually listens to their fans and patched it eventually (granted, it took nearly a year).

But, yes, Silent Hill doesn't exactly have the best marketing. A main problem there being that when Silent Hill 1 came out on the PS1, it was the Golden Age of the Resident Evil franchise, and Silent Hill and Resident Evil 2 were major competitors. Konami probably thought, at the time, that any amount of marketing they put into Silent Hill wasn't going to help, so they just pumped out a few magazine ads, maybe one commercial (that, if I remember correctly, wasn't allowed to air during the daytime) but they kept sending preview copies to all the magazines. I remember a huge amount of publicity through gaming magazines at the time, specifically PSM, because I think they churned out six or seven previews, two of them cover stories. After this, I bet Konami just kept up the tradition, since the first game gained a cult following.

3.Slight warning, the protagonist of ZoE is some whiny little brat that no one likes (including 99.9% of the people who play the game) but thankfully the game doesn't have 10-hour long cutscenes/ radio chatter like MGS does. On a positive note, ZOE 2's protagonist was a badass, and you get to kick the protagonist of the first game's ass at some point in the game.

I'll just answer you by the numbers, you've given.

1. I already wrote you something on that thread. Hope I could help.

2. I was almost tempted to buy it... and luckily, I heard of the issues. Saw some screens where the fog was just reduced to a white wall in the distance, like an old N64 game. As for the ZOE collection: to be fair, they only patched ZOE the 2nd Runner and only on the PS3. And they even had to bring in another developer! And that HD Collection cost them a potentially damn good game. I really recommend watching HyperBitHero's video on ZOE.

3. I finished ZOE1 once several years back, after it was collecting dust for 5 or 6 years or so. So, I know all about Leo... When I first played it I was also watching Neon Genesis Evangelion. So, I actually loved it as a kid but couldn't figure out what to do when there was that tower of light, so I was stuck for years and I stopped playing it. Right around the time MGS4 came out, I finally gave it another shot and finished it. ZOE2 was great but too  difficult for me at the time. Maybe I'll give it another shot soon, but right now I have a lot of work to do and also other games to play. Have you played it?

Cheers!

[Cerberus_0408]

3. I have started ZoE for a while, but not the sequel.

[fgdj2000]

If you can get it and are annoyed with ZOE1'S STORY,I think you can jump straight to 2nd Runner. It features a new character and is pretty self-contained, I think.

[Cerberus_0408]

As a matter of fact I have the HDC. So I will indeed skip ahead to ZoE2 if I don't happen to like the first one.

[Cerberus_0408]

Somebody wrote this of ZoE:

"I didn't have much problem with Leo (ZOE1's protagonist). He's easy to get used to, and it shouldn't be difficult to understand why he is the way he is. He's a teenager who's never experienced true hardship other than personal relations. He's never had to kill anyone before, he's never had to do a goddamn thing in his life before, and as such, he's very overwhelmed by his situation. He grew up a lot between ZOE1 and ZOE2, and thus his new personality in ZOE2 reflects this. Dingo (ZOE2's protagonist) was a much better character because he was a battle hardened veteran who really had a reason to fight.

Besides, Leo's a much better protagonist than Neon Genesis Evangelion's, who literally cries because people ask him to do something, and seemingly wants to commit suicide, but doesn't really want to commit suicide, and can't understand why people need him, but wants to be needed, but doesn't want to do anything because he's useless - in other words, he's a goddamn fountain of contradiction."

[fgdj2000]

Well, Shinji from NGE is a much more complex character. Actually, I haven't seen any show with characters that are that thought out (outside of Breaking Bad) and definitley the only show with characters this messed up!
I actually didn't mind Leo in ZOE, but he isn't the kind of protagonist that gets everyone pumped to play and finish your game. Dingo was a lot more interesting in that regard. And the protagonist switch was also grest as a plot-device, to get newcomers up to speed.

Back to topic: I finally got to start up UC4. Had a lot of fun so far, however the whole prison sequence had me confused, because I didn't realize this was another flashback. Nate looked just like he does in the rest of the game. They could have made im younger. I also love that they brought back the photo-mode from the NDC. I had a lot of fun with it and taking "vacation pictures" was kind of a fun side-activity for me. And now it's back! Yay!

[Cerberus_0408]

Jun 18, 2016 9:11:48 GMT -5 fgdj2000 said:

Well, Shinji from NGE is a much more complex character. Actually, I haven't seen any show with characters that are that thought out (outside of Breaking Bad) and definitley the only show with characters this messed up!
I actually didn't mind Leo in ZOE, but he isn't the kind of protagonist that gets everyone pumped to play and finish your game. Dingo was a lot more interesting in that regard. And the protagonist switch was also grest as a plot-device, to get newcomers up to speed.

Funny you mention Shinji, because Leo reminded me of him lol. Also apparently ZoE1 opens with Leo seeing his friends get crushed by a f...cking robot (which you can later go back and see, still sitting there destroyed once you gain control of Jehuty). I understood why Leo was the way he was, but his incessant whining always got on my nerves.

Shinji was a worthless piece of sh*t really, and somehow becomes God or something at the end. Whatever the end was, since there's approx. 4505890 different versions of the story/ending now. I remember in one of the re-tellings or something, Shinji's status as a pathetic POS gets magnified tenfold when he literally masturbates over an unconscious Asuka. That scene never left me.

When I was a lot younger and saw NGE for the first time, I had a huge crush on Rei for some reason. And naturally I was mind-f...cked into oblivion when she died like 80 times and kept getting replaced, then Angels took on her form or something and then crashed down to Earth or whatever, just WTF. I don't even know how accurate what I'm saying really is, don't even know what's canon and what isn't in that series.

[fgdj2000]

Yeah, the series is even more complex than MGS at times. It also has some things intentionally kept vague, so anyone can find his own interpretation.
But seriously, I think that was the point of Shinji. He doesn't get along and always feels like others do things to him, like wanting im to risk his life to save the world or his father mistreating him, etc. but in reality most of his problems are of his won making. He is the one who doesn't speak up, who creates this situation where he is the hero who has to make the sacrifice of piloting the EVA, when in reality they just say "if you don't want to do it, it's okay, we don't need a pilot who isn't comitted." I think he is like many people, finding excuses and twisting his own reality in his head, where he creates the comfortable situation where he doesn't have to take responsibility for his actions... instead of just standing up for himself and taking responsibility for who he is and what he does.

[Cerberus_0408]

I can't help but LOVE the fact that Neon Genesis's creator made the series, hated it, made a different version of the series, hated it, I believe made a third, hated that and is now making a fourth version of the series as a set of four films, which he'll probably hate in the future and redo it all over again. He begs the question of "How many times can I remake the same thing and still hate it?"

ZOE Fist of Mars' main character is somewhat like Shinji, just with a lot more confidence in himself. He only hates his life when something bad happens, not when he opens a door.

[fgdj2000]

Well, it seems you don't get Hideaki Anno. He actually worked his struggle with depression into the series and didn't like the kind of popularity the series got at first in japan, which is why he used it to make people think about their lives.

What he is up to with the current movies - if anything - I have no idea. Some say it's actually a continuation of the original series. That Shinji kind of rebooted reality at the end of EoE and this is the result. We'll only know when the last film is released.

[Cerberus_0408]

Yeah, the original NGE gets even darker and more depressing once you realize that the creator was actually depressed as sh*t when he was working on it, which makes the whole thing make a lot more sense (somewhat.) Apparently his depression got worse towards the end of the series, which combined with some budgetary restraints, resulted in the last few episodes being absolute horrifically-depressing mind-f...cks and the last two eps being the pile of fjduasdashydghasa that they were.