Best sequence to watch Star Wars

[A.G.]

I prefer more mystery. I liked Vader more before I got to know Anakin. Same with Big Boss. Like Snake says, reality is no match for the legend.

[fgdj2000]

Fair enough.

Personally, I kind of view Star Wars as two series now. The original (unaltered) self-contained Star Wars Trilogy and the more epic generation-spanning Skywalker Saga. I like both for different reasons and thanks to the Despecialized Editions can alternate between them freely. I'd still get an official release of the OUT.

[Cerberus_0408]

What exactly is the original version's differences compared to the changed version?

Also, let me bring up a similarity between MG and SW again. Personally I feel that is the more we know about Big Boss, the MORE his character deteriorates. In other words, the less we know, it makes us BETTER off. In all his actions from PW and MGS5 he has made me have a decreased liking for him. The same goes for Vader. In the original trilogy he's seen as a badass. But in his origin you get the feeling that the man in the mask is different from what he was seen in Episode 4. Very different, as a matter of fact. Less was more. In Big Boss' case it's the same to me. Towards the end of MGS4 he really impresses you! But the two newest games really changed his character imo

[fgdj2000]

May 16, 2020 2:10:50 GMT -5 Cerberus_0408 said:

What exactly is the original version's differences compared to the changed version?

Also, let me bring up a similarity between MG and SW again. Personally I feel that is the more we know about Big Boss, the MORE his character deteriorates. In other words, the less we know, it makes us BETTER off. In all his actions from PW and MGS5 he has made me have a decreased liking for him. The same goes for Vader. In the original trilogy he's seen as a badass. But in his origin you get the feeling that the man in the mask is different from what he was seen in Episode 4. Very different, as a matter of fact. Less was more. In Big Boss' case it's the same to me. Towards the end of MGS4 he really impresses you! But the two newest games really changed his character imo

You didn't seriously ask this?! xD It's like casually asking "can you name all the countries in the world?" 

It's possible, but a longer conversation... Let me get you started:



The guy made five videos; one for each film of the OT, one for the prequels (yeah, even they weren't spared!) and one for the recent Disney+/4K version, which had yet more minor changes.

Essentially, Lucas had been revising and updating the films like an author would revise and update his literary work. It's actually kind of cool, that he didn't just make new films, but also went back to his earlier films and "updated" them to reflect his new ideas. Not unlike how Tolkien rewrote a chapter in "The Hobbit" while he was working on "The Lord of the Rings" to reflect the corrupting influence of the ring he had established in the later work. 

However, having the original version as an option would be great, especially because of their importance for cinema in general.

[Cerberus_0408]

Thanks! I'll try to watch them.

As to my comment, would you agree that when we know more about Big Boss, the LESS we respect him?

[A.G.]

Well, if you go by what Kojima gave us in MPW and MGS5, then yes. But I think if we had to have those in between games we could’ve gotten a better Big Boss story. Thete is nothing inspiring about him in those games. And that misses the mark. Big Boss was a hero to many. Think about all the references from people who were directly impacted and/or saved by him. Ocelot, Eva, Fox, Naomi, Wolf... just to name a few. Those are the stories I wanted to see.

[Cerberus_0408]

That's the problem. Instead of going into stories that players ACTUALLY want, Kojima makes sh*t based on what HE THINKS they want

[fgdj2000]

May 16, 2020 21:46:27 GMT -5 Cerberus_0408 said:

Thanks! I'll try to watch them.

As to my comment, would you agree that when we know more about Big Boss, the LESS we respect him?

In a way, yes. When Vader and Big Boss were first introduced, they were these larger than life figures. They felt strong, intimidating. However, in the end, this is all an illusion. After all, we are all just human and no one is infallible. So, bot the Star Wars and MGS prequels revealed them as flawed human beings who were in the end suffering.

This appeals to me. It gave depth to these characters, made them more human and showed that that larger than life status often comes at a price. It could have been executed better (for instance, Lucas failed to make Anakin in Episode II actually likable) in places, but I still like this approach. It's true to life.

[Cerberus_0408]

I agree they were indeed larger than life. The first impressions are always the ones that stick with you. Also we learn that they were trying to do things the way they thought was right. Anakin wanted Padme alive and so he sought the power that could keep her from dying. Ironically he got deceived into going down the path of an antagonist.


Big Boss can be said to have a similar arc. He was told to believe that the Boss was a true villian, but later it transpired that it was the exact opposite - in other words, she was the GOOD person who was caught in a conspiracy. This disenchants him to the point that he becomes a bad guy in MGS5 and it's this antagonistic role that you battle in the original games. It's interesting how Lucas and Kojima designed these characters.

[A.G.]

I think that you could’ve showed the legend of Big Boss as well as the reality. You know how I know that? Because they did that so successfully with Solid Snake.

[Cerberus_0408]

Really? How so?

[fgdj2000]

May 18, 2020 0:26:36 GMT -5 Cerberus_0408 said:

Really? How so?

I think of you dig only a little you‘ll Find A.G.'s suggestion for a proper MGS3 - MG1 interquel somewhere. Either in a MGSV thread or a MPW thread.

[A.G.]

May 18, 2020 0:26:36 GMT -5 Cerberus_0408 said:

Really? How so?

It would’ve been hard. Show him leaving the Patriots. Show him saving Gray Fox and Sniper Wolf. Show his relationship with Naomi. More interaction with Ocelot and Eva. All those things that frankly made him the human being we see in MGS4. I still believe that the ending of MGS5 should’ve been a fast forward to 1995 and a young Solid Snake walking in to Big Boss’ office to be briefed on the Outer Heaven mission.

I know it’s predictable. Borderline fan service. But I dare say that MGS4 will stand the test of time better than MGS5. Sometimes fan service isn’t a bad idea, especially at the end of the franchise.

[Cerberus_0408]

I agree, MGS4 was somewhat more connected with the rest of the series than 5.