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Post by A.G. on Mar 31, 2005 11:58:56 GMT -5
Yes, today she did die.
For those of you who are not familiar with the case, she has been brain-dead for 15 years now. And they finally made the decision to remove her feeding tube. Naturally, there is a lot of controversy over this. But after 13 days of no food or water, she finally died.
I want to start a topic on this to see what you guys think about it.
To me, the decision to let her go is not a bad one. Yes it's murder, but is it really a life worth living? Further more, it's a sensitive topic that I refuse to take a side on. A classic case of science and medicine meeting religion and personal beliefs. I choose to stay neutral on that issue since there is a lot to say for each side.
What bothers me though is the way they did it. If you choose to put down your pet you don't f...cking starve and dehydrate them to death! There are quick and painless methods of injections that could let her go with ease. But no, they tortured the poor woman to death for 2 weeks!!! What the hell kind of country is that? This is symbolic of Nazi Germany. There are much more painless and humane means of letting her pass on. This was just cruel!
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Post by Jack on Mar 31, 2005 13:15:26 GMT -5
I didn't know much about this untill your post. But I agree with you. It's not really a life worth living (though I'm not so sure I'm the one to judge), but hell, death penalty is more humane.
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Post by Otty on Mar 31, 2005 13:43:03 GMT -5
She was not experiencing pain, hunger or thirst due to the removal of the feeding tube.  But it still looked very cruel. It wouldn't even matter if she was buried and connect with a feeding tube underground. She was always dead to me, all the 15 years. They kept her away from heaven and hold her on earth. I'm not saying she had to die but her brain was DEAD, if the brain is dead and you are kept alive then all you are is a living piece of meat... hell, you wouldn't even know your alive. |
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Post by jetspike on Mar 31, 2005 19:45:20 GMT -5
Its like your in a coma, but your awake. I would have let her go, because even though shes alive, she can't do anything. Can't speak, can't move, it would pain me to see that, so just let her go. she is gonna die sooner or later even if you keep her feeding tube in. My Social Studies teacher talked to the whole class about it. (And I scare him)
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Post by anthony on Apr 1, 2005 1:47:40 GMT -5
if i was in her position i would want to die.
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Post by SOLIDEST on Apr 1, 2005 2:46:05 GMT -5
Thanks AG for providing info about this wich I didn't know much about. In my opinion it was very cruel to let her go, human life is a sacred thing and no other human got rights to take it away for a reason like that. Anyways its all over now may God bless her soul.
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Post by anthony on Apr 1, 2005 5:22:25 GMT -5
it was on the news here in Australia im supprised i didnt hear about it.
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Post by snakepliskin on Apr 1, 2005 16:44:19 GMT -5
To quote you earlier AG "What bothers me though is the way they did it. If you choose to put down your pet you don't f...cking starve and dehydrate them to death! There are quick and painless methods of injections that could let her go with ease. But no, they tortured the poor woman to death for 2 weeks!!! What the hell kind of country is that?
Your comments are pretty valid. I am an American, from Florida in fact, and I was pretty upset by the final decision and result. In Florida, it is illegal to let your animal start to death, but i guess it doesnt matter if you are brain damaged and a human being. To answer your question about "what the hell kind of country [does] that?" I will just point out another fact. Since 1973 there have been 44,670,812 abortions as of April 22, 2004. Thats more deaths than all American casualties in every American war combined. Abortion and Euthanasia are deciptivly convinient words for murder.
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Post by YevgenyVolgin on Apr 1, 2005 18:09:18 GMT -5
To quote you earlier AG " What bothers me though is the way they did it. If you choose to put down your pet you don't f...cking starve and dehydrate them to death! There are quick and painless methods of injections that could let her go with ease. But no, they tortured the poor woman to death for 2 weeks!!! What the hell kind of country is that?Your comments are pretty valid. I am an American, from Florida in fact, and I was pretty upset by the final decision and result. In Florida, it is illegal to let your animal start to death, but i guess it doesnt matter if you are brain damaged and a human being. To answer your question about "what the hell kind of country [does] that?" I will just point out another fact. Since 1973 there have been 44,670,812 abortions as of April 22, 2004. Thats more deaths than all American casualties in every American war combined. Abortion and Euthanasia are deciptivly convinient words for murder. Save for the fact thta Terri Schiavo was a lifeless observer. She couldn't feel anything, say anything or do anything. All she could do was lay around on her bed. She couldn't feel herself starving, or dying of dehydration. It was cruel to keep her alive for so long. It was unnatural to keep her alive for so long. And as for the whole abortion thing (which, by the way is NOT related to this topic), I want to know if you are a man. If you answered "yes", your opinion on the topic is 100% invalid bullsh*t. As is mine. |
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Post by kempnerius on Apr 1, 2005 18:11:39 GMT -5
The Soldier, I think I know you. And I must chime in to agree 100% with what you've said so far.
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Post by SOLIDEST on Apr 1, 2005 20:31:15 GMT -5
Its no humans decesion to keep someone alive or kill her off. Thats something that concerns God not a mere human to decide on. Who knows God might've healed her later on, even if not she shouldv'e left alone to die naturaly.
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Post by YevgenyVolgin on Apr 1, 2005 22:33:44 GMT -5
God wouldn't have put a feeding tube in her. If it were up to God, she would have died when she was first put on life support. All she was was a corpse with working organs.
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Post by snakepliskin on Apr 1, 2005 22:52:50 GMT -5
Quoting the Soldier "I want to know if you are a man. If you answered "yes", your opinion on the topic is 100% invalid bullsh*t. As is mine."
Well my opinion on such matters isn't invalid because babies are both males and females, as are brain damaged people who cant feed themselves. I am glad that my mom chose life because if she didn't I wouldnt even have the chance to discuss this topic today.
However, Soldier, I do see where you are coming from. I am not trying to get this forum "fired up" and turn this into a raging argument, so lets all try to refrain from cursing at one another. I for one identify myself as pro-life, and it really bothers me when I saw the outcome of this case. I feel that if the husband didn't want to care for her anymore, he should have just gave her over to the parents. She is still their daughter, and any parent would try everything in order to care for their child. The state should have allowed her to be transfered over to the parents since the husband obviously didn't want to deal with her anymore. He had a new life, another woman he was seeing, so thats fine if he wants to do that. Just don't starve you wife to death because you dont want to deal with her anymore, give her too her parents who want to continue to care and fight for her.
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Post by snakepliskin on Apr 1, 2005 23:02:26 GMT -5
Soldier, comon now, think about that last comment. God didn't put that feeding tube in her just as much as God didn't develop radiation machines that can be used to kill cancer tumors in cancer patients. Although God didn't develop these man made things, they can both be used to preserve and save lives. Where there is life, there is hope, and you cant just start giving up and treating life like it is worthless and summing up a human being as simply "a corpse with working organs".
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Post by YevgenyVolgin on Apr 1, 2005 23:39:13 GMT -5
Wrap your mind around this, Plissken. The chance of ANYONE coming out of a coma after 90 days is slim to none. After that the chance dramatically decreases every day. The world record is 6 years, and that is considered an anomaly. There was no way in hell she was ever going to wake up after 15 years.. All that feeding tube was doing was keeping her organs in a basic function. She couldn't see. She couldn't hear. She couldn't do anything except lay there. It is unnatural to keep someone who is going to die alive. Chemo therapy actually treats cancer. However, a feeding tube does not bring people out of comas. A feeding tube, merely keeps them alive after they have ceased to function by themselves. Don't compare apples and oranges. She wasn't killed, she was allowed to die. Would you honestly want to remain on this earth for 15 years and not feel, hear, see, or do anything at all? There's a reason they use the term "brain-dead". That means that she is essentially just a body which retains but a small ember of life. She should have died long ago before all of this bullsh*t got held up in the courts. It's as simple as that. Keeping her on life support for 15 years was completely unnatural any way you look at it. There's a breaking point between lifesaving and futility.
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But it still looked very cruel.