Interesting Theory These Guys Have

[A.G.]

They did some crazy Gray Fox stuff before, but most of this actually fits!



When you take MGS5 literally there are a lot of inconsistencies. Many we discussed. Some almost feel like obvious mistakes that would never happen in a Metal Gear game. Their research definitely explains much of it and ties into the title of Phantom Pain being inline with how sneaky Kojima is with his hidden meanings.

Why do we see multiple missions and moments multiple times in different ways?
Why do characters feel so different from other games, especially Peace Walker?
Why is Venom/Big Boss the only one that got a voice change from Peace Walker?
Why so many things feel unnatural, like the psychic, man on fire, parasites, Sahelanthropus, wormhole technology?!
Why Ishmael under the bandages clearly has a different face than Big Boss, even though the Truth ending shows them just hours apart?
Why can’t he speak Russian when we know Big Boss is fluent in it?
Why is the landscape so barren?
Why can’t you go inside most structures?
Why is the game so unfinished?
Why are there so many references to the concept of reality?
Why doesn’t Venom talk much and feels more like a spectator?


Well, much of their theory fixes this. And simply put, it didn’t happen this way. We don’t actually know what happened in 1975 and 1984. Both GZ and TPP are jumbled and semi reconstructed memories of the Medic. Like a deep dream where you see pieces. They make sense to you when you are asleep, but are completely illogical when you wake up and think about them. It’s along the lines of AIs messing with Raider’s brain creating a version of Campbell from his expectations.

The only part I’m not sure about are the explanation of when this happens. They suggest it’s after Venom is defeated by Solid Snake. That would seem unnecessary though. Wouldn’t he just die at that point?

Thoughts?

[A.G.]

Was looking at the timeline from the credits and listened to the Zero tapes. So Zero visited Big Boss in the hospital in 1977. In the tape he asked the doctor which one was Big Boss. So... does that mean they already adjusted Venom’s face? It could not have been bandages from the original wounds since this is 2 years after the crash. So why then have another surgery at the start of the game? This also played into the fact that Ishmael has a visibly different face from Big Boss, yet after meeting Ocelot a couple of hours later he has his original face. This is problematic if you take what you see literally. But, if these inconsistencies are intentional... that’s a different story.

[fgdj2000]

May 25, 2020 14:55:46 GMT -5 A.G. said:

Was looking at the timeline from the credits and listened to the Zero tapes. So Zero visited Big Boss in the hospital in 1977. In the tape he asked the doctor which one was Big Boss. So... does that mean they already adjusted Venom’s face? It could not have been bandages from the original wounds since this is 2 years after the crash. So why then have another surgery at the start of the game? This also played into the fact that Ishmael has a visibly different face from Big Boss, yet after meeting Ocelot a couple of hours later he has his original face. This is problematic if you take what you see literally. But, if these inconsistencies are intentional... that’s a different story.

Both "Big Bosses" have bandages, because they are trying to hide them! Several tapes make a big thing about Zero wanting to hide and save Big Boss. Also, considering how severe Venom Snake's wounds were, it could take a few years to heal from that.

Ishmael is supposed to have the same face as Big Boss, just hidden behind bandages. I mean, you can't really see much of it. His eye could be a glass eye. On top of that, Ahab/ Venom is an unreliable narrator/ protagonist because he is brainwashed and delusional.

Replayed Mission 46 yesterday and listened to some of the Truth Tapes again. I think Kojima covered his a$$ pretty neatly... you know, for a 28 year old retconned and re-retconned continuity
And that moment when medic turns to the camera and it is suddenly revealed to be a character was really great storytelling in execution. I just would have preferred I they'd altered the rest of mission more. Maybe play as Ishmael rather than "Ahab", but given how scripted the sequence is and how Konami probably gutted and rushed development at the end, it's understandable. 

[A.G.]

I looked closer at Ishmael. No way it’s the same face. You can clearly see there is no facial hair under the bandages.

[fgdj2000]

I guess Kojima prioritised maintaining the twist over complete accuracy. I remember you once posted a picture. Again, "Ahab" is delusional and unreliable as a narrator, so I guess that explains it away for me. Or Big Boss drank some of the magic hair growth elixir from Red Dead Redemption 2. That stuff gained you a mullet and Aristotle beard in a couple of days back in 1899, so, I'm sure they had improved the formula by 1984. xD

EDIT: Further explanations, if you have to have one; 1. Big Boss is wearing the Raikov mask underneath (or a similar rubber mask, which after 20 years of latex-technology improvements can now move the mouth). 2. Big Boss is actually bald and has no facial hair and a glas eye and gets his eye-patch, a wig and a stick beard from Ocelot. 3. Big Boss has now shapeshifting powers, thanks to parasites. xD

[A.G.]

Hahahaha! With explanations like that suddenly MGS4 doesn’t seem so bad!

[fgdj2000]

Right? Right?