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Post by VulpX on Mar 8, 2005 5:10:18 GMT -5
Awright, a topic about questions you have on MGS3. I'll start with a question of my own...
Ocelot is ADAM, that becomes clear from the telephone conversation at the end. That means he was supposed to show up in Rassvet in Operation Snake Eater. He did, but he took the whole Ocelot Unit with him. Does anyone have an idea why?
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Post by Jack on Mar 8, 2005 13:11:49 GMT -5
Here's a question: How can anyone even speculate John to be Snake's real name? It's so obvious that his name is Jack. And when he tell Ocelot his real name - that's so internal an internal joke can get.
Another question: Did you too notice the similarity in the faith of Olga's child and The Boss's? Both taken away from there parents at an early age by The Philosophers and the Patriots. Both sons to female soldiers. Both have russian blood.
Third question: Anyone agree when I say Hayter did his best job as of yet? I think he is brilliant.
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Post by Otty on Mar 8, 2005 13:57:25 GMT -5
I have no idea Fox(id), I don't get it to...
Big Boss's real name is still mysterious, is it Jack or John? And I think Ocelot faked his real name to since Adamska has the word ADAM in it...
Also, when you kill yourself or Ocelot, Sokolov you get a time parodox, but when you kill the parrot from The End that is Emma Emmerich's parrot in the future there isn't a time paradox...
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Post by A.G. on Mar 8, 2005 14:59:02 GMT -5
Jack and John is the same name folks. Really, no joke. You can go by either one, it's the same thing. I work with a guy named Jack. But he is also listed as John. It's the same name, so there's no mystery there.
So? Please tell me you're not going to speculate that Olga and The Boss are related? And what Russian blood? The Boss isn't Russian. Is the Sorrow? I'm not sure.
It is amazing how he can do such a great job in MGS3 and such a sh*tty job in Twin Snakes. I don't think he's brilliant, I think that when Kojima's running the show, Hayter halls ass.
There's never been any connection between the damn birds.
Well, he obviously showed up to capture or kill Snake. Don't forget that he was holding a grudge against him from the first encounter. I'm sure he wanted backup just in case.
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Post by The Mad Jackyl on Mar 8, 2005 14:59:46 GMT -5
Guess it's because it's not Emma's parrot, huh? C'mon, you really think that particular parrot also later becomes Emma's? Sure, the bird might have the lifespan for such a thing, but still...there are a LOT of parrots in the world. That's stretching it.
I'm convinced Adamska is Ocelot's real name. I'm not convinced either way on Big Boss's name. I noticed the thing about Olga's child and The Boss's as well, TBOL..did I email you my thoughts on that before? Seems like I might have. I did notice that the same thing which happened to The Boss's child could have been the same reason Olga's child was taken.
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Post by A.G. on Mar 8, 2005 15:02:16 GMT -5
Well, maybe in MGS4 we'll get Olga's kid running around Ocelot style.
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Post by Jack on Mar 8, 2005 15:51:12 GMT -5
No, as far as I know, you have not mailed me anything lately, Jackyl. And Paul, yes, I meant The Sorrow. Please, you're not going to argue he's not Russian? He is. By the way, you can see his corpse in the last cut-scene of the VR mission. Press R1 when the icon shows and look as far left as you can. You calling me stupid....? Yeah, actually you are. ;D AG, I'll never forget your PM. I laughed for hours after reading it.  |
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Post by A.G. on Mar 8, 2005 16:29:38 GMT -5
Well, you didnt' really leavey a lot of choice there. I mean, how do you explain to someone who keeps asking why he can't post in the Archives.
I just don't remember where it said that he is Russian. Don't forget, the Cobra Unit was formed by the Philosophers. Being on Volgin's side during that mission does not mean they are all Russian. The Fury is. But as for the rest... Again, maybe I'm missing something.
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Post by Otty on Mar 8, 2005 16:30:18 GMT -5
Jack and John is the same name folks. Really, no joke. You can go by either one, it's the same thing. I work with a guy named Jack. But he is also listed as John. It's the same name, so there's no mystery there. But when Para-Medic talks to him in the beginning she asks about Big Boss's real name, Big Boss says John Doe, as a joke Para-Medic says her real name is Jane Doe because she thought he was lying (maybe he was), was or wasn't Big Boss lying about his name John Doe? |
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Post by A.G. on Mar 8, 2005 16:39:38 GMT -5
C'mon! The John Doe conversation was just joking around.
Look, the Boss constantly refered to him as Jack. That's his name. OK. When he said his name is John, it's not really a lie either since Jack and John is the same name. No, his last name is not Doe. But his first name is Jack. But John is just as acceptable. Jack is more accurate since that's what the Boss constantly refers to him as, even in private.
Big Boss - John (aka Jack)
Solid Snake - David
Solidus Snake - George
Liquid Snake - ?
That's all we know. Don't make more out of it then what Kojim told us.
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Post by Otty on Mar 8, 2005 16:43:22 GMT -5
And what do you have to say about Ocelots real name AG? Do you think Adamska is his real name? He was the real ADAM though so it could be possible.
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Post by FoxDie on Mar 8, 2005 16:45:15 GMT -5
But aren't John and Jane Doe the names used for unidentified bodies and other such anonymous people? I'm pretty sure Snake was just joking around when he said his name to be John Doe.. I'd say he is Jack, not John.
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Post by YevgenyVolgin on Mar 8, 2005 17:54:54 GMT -5
Well, on the MGS3 offficial site it said that Jack was a nickname. So his legal name is probably John, and his friends (ZERO, The Boss) called him Jack.
Here's my question. Anyone notice that Raiden and Big Boss were both called "Jack"?
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Post by genaside2 on Mar 8, 2005 18:26:32 GMT -5
There's never been any connection between the damn birds. Even more proof my posts and threads about MG mean nothing to anyone. I posted a topic about unknown answers to small tidbits. Kojima HIMSELF said that the bird from MGS3 is like the grandfather of the bird from MGS2. So yes there is a relationship. BOT: AG who else called him John? I'm sure BB told Ocelot his real name later down the line. Question: When did BB and Ocelot meet and ilke talk and stuff? I mean after the Snake Eater mission. |
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Post by VulpX on Mar 9, 2005 3:42:12 GMT -5
About BB's real name. I think his real name is Jack, which is not just a nickname, I think. The Boss and Zero both know him personally, so I'd say it is his real name. Adamska is not Ocelot's real name, I'd say. He said it as a clue to Jack, and Jack understood him. You see him smile as he says John, so I think he knows Ocelot is ADAM.
And to answer your question Genaside, who knows when they met? Big Boss formed FOXHOUND in 1971, and Revolver Ocelot gets involved in 2005. Maybe they never met. Maybe Ocelot joined FOXHOUND after BB's death when George Sears (Solidus) became President.
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