MGS PO - not new gameplay style.

[A.G.]

Here's something else that I've notice after watching more on this game. The character movements, abilities and such are all from MGS3. So, not only are we getting the character models from MGS3, but the basic game system as well. Same stance, same walk, same run, same grapples. Same was true of Acid, all the gameplay actions were taken right out of MGS2.

In all other titles we see a change, something brand new. That holds true even with the games that are on the same systems. Look at Metal Gear 1 and Metal Gear 2. The stance, the walk, everything is different. Same with MGS2 and MGS3. I think that’s my biggest problem with this game. It is not technologically advanced or conceptually original to be a stand-alone installment in the cannon. In all respect it looks interesting, but it’s no more than an expansion of MGS3. How can it be viewed otherwise?

It would seem that the handheld titles are designed to cash in on the main games in some form. Ghost Babel was essentially a 2D mirror of MGS1. Snake’s suit, Guard’s outfits, Boss similarities, and even the Metal Gear tank design... all of it. Acid 1 and Acid 2 directly mimic the gaming style of MGS2. Granted Acid 2 has a outfit change, but the motions are all the same. And now Portable Ops is duplicating Snake Eater.

In my opinion, if they want to make a pleasing handheld Metal Gear (and one that would actually SELL for a change) they need to create something new. Want to have a different director and still make it part of the cannon? Fine. But at least make it new and original. I think part of the problem is that no time is given to the titles’ development. Every year there is a new one. Give it at least 2 years and develop something really worth while instead of making half-baked clones.

In all honesty, I would not have a problem with Portable Ops if the would just keep it as what it deserves to be, and extra for MGS3. It is not worthy to be a main cannon installment.

[Econs]

AG, Read a book. Enjoy it. Have it become one of your favorite stories of all time.

Then read the sequal to that book. How about that? It's a different story, with many of the same characters and elements.

AG, MGS PO is a NEW STORY! Not a brand new element, or gameplay set, a new story. With the same chacters. SO WHAT that they didn't change the gameplay style, it's just a NEW story. Written by Kojima. Imagine MG as an interactive book.

[A.G.]

I just want things that new and original. If you're gonna make an installment in the cannon then in should be something new. And I think you're missing the point.

MG1 to MG2 had a different story with the same characters. But technically MG2 was completely changed from MG1. And look at the technical difference between MGS2 and MGS3. The way the character moves, stands, grapples... everything is NEW.

Why wouldn't Acid make a whole character design? From scratch, the walk, the stance, the fighting animation. Why constantly take the designs of the primary games? It cheapens things.

My point, that all of you seem to completely miss is that Portable Ops should not be a stand-alone title. Let me explain it this way, the title should be:

Metal Gear Solid 3: Portable Ops.

Think of it as taking the Tanker Chapter of MGS2, putting it on a PSP and calling it a new game. It's not. It plays the same as the Big Shell and the characters are the same. It's a two-part game.

Portable Ops is no different. It's a continuation of Snake Eater. It plays and looks the same so it rightfully should be called Metal Gear Solid 3 Portable Ops. Kojima should really make that change.

[Genaside II]

It's exactly the same, SO?

What was wrong with the MGS3 gameplay type? Nothing in my opinion.

Getting a new gameplay style would actually piss me off. It's in the MGS cannon so it should follow it.

[A.G.]

My point, that all of you seem to completely miss is that Portable Ops should not be a stand-alone title. Let me explain it this way, the title should be:

Metal Gear Solid 3: Portable Ops

It seems I always have to repeat myself.

[Liquiduz]

Ah, AG, you never cease to amaze me.

This game IS canon game, but the reason there is no new gameplay is because the game is just for story purposes. I swear, you think it's easy to create a new game from scratch? The developers HAVE to create a game within the timeframe and budget they're given, they cant just say "Oh, let's take 4 years and blow again millions of dollars to make this game." Using models and gameplay from MGS3 does not only save time but money as well.

So yes, it probably would've been better as a MGS3 expansion, but guess what? It's not, so suck it up.

And it seems I always have to repeat myself as well. Dont freaking judge a book by its cover.

[A.G.]

I can judge a book by its cover if I've seen things like that in the past. Ghost Babel and the two Acids are proof enough that originality is needed for the handhelds.

I swear, you think it's easy to create a new game from scratch?

No I don't. But anything worthwhile is worth spending time and effort on. Bable and Acids weren't successful not just becuase they're not cannon, but because they riped off other MG games in technical format. And the new things they offered weren't all that great.

In all honesty, wouln't you rather have Portable Ops look brand new and completely inovative instead of an MGS3 clone? I would.

[Econs]

I like the Story.

Screw gameplay.

[A.G.]

How can you say that? It is a video game afterall.

[Liquiduz]

admin said:

In all honesty, wouln't you rather have Portable Ops look brand new and completely inovative instead of an MGS3 clone?

Nope.

Im with Eco, all I care about is the story. MGS3 had a great gameplay, I would love to play another MG with that kind of gameplay, its damn fun.

You just want every MG game to be a mind blowing game like the original ones. Well that never happens with game series, and it aint never gonna happen. Not even FF is like that, it has had its share of sucky games.

[Black Snake]

admin said:

In all honesty, wouln't you rather have Portable Ops look brand new and completely inovative instead of an MGS3 clone? I would.

Well, the old gameplay is WAAYYYY better than a card battle game...

[A.G.]

I'm not saying that the gameplay has to change completely. MGS2 and MGS3 are similar, but different enough to give it a new game feel.

[Econs]

How the crap do you expect them to change the feel on a portable system WHILE working on a game with a completly new feel, engine, graphics, console, ect ect

[TheBrotherOfLight]

econs said:

How the crap do you expect them to change the feel on a portable system WHILE working on a game with a completly new feel, engine, graphics, console, ect ect

Well, it's two different teams.