The Official MGS4 GOTP Topic

[A.G.]

Discuss whatever about the game. Gameplay, chatacters... all of it.

[TheBrotherOfLight]

Anyone knows when the new trailer is out, or if there is a new one coming at all?

[A.G.]

I think this is the long stretch, unless we see a demo in the Spring like with MGS2. The problem is that we don't know what kind of a show MGS3 would be shown at. Normally we would have to wait until May E3, but that show is no canceled. So there I have no idea what show they would use instead.

[TheBrotherOfLight]

Oh, ueah, forgot about E3 being canceled.

Will MGS4 be released at the same time as PS3, or later? It probably isn't said officially, but what do you guys think?

[A.G.]

The PS3 is out this month.

[TheBrotherOfLight]

Oh, sorry. I live in Sweden, so I forgot about that. We get it in like three months.

[TheBrotherOfLight]

First off; great idea to have official threads for each game. That way there won't be several minor threads with only two three replies each. Great for motivating conversation.

Second. I can't wait to play this game. I just saw a screenshot of Snake when he is battling a Metal Gear in a staircase (one of the newest trailers). Look at the freakin' detail! I never noticed his wrinkles when I saw it in motion, but if you watch it frame by frame, you'll realize how brutally awesome the animation work is in MGS4.

I think they've done a great job with the graphics. Sure, Halo 3, Gears of War and Quake Wars all look good graphically, but it's not that hard to do I believe. It's all metal. In MGS4 they have rubber clothing, realistic hair movement, tons of little details. And above all, interactive environments per real definition. They've done a great job.

[The Mad Jackyl]

I don't know about this Gears of War game - why is everyone getting so crazy for it? I've seen the trailer, what's mind-blowing about it?

[A.G.]

I kinda agree. I really think it's the hyped graphics. But at this point in time I don't understand how people can get excited about graphics. I mean... yeah, it looks real. So what? That was mind-blowing 5 years ago, not today.

[Liquiduz]

So what? Theres nothing wrong with gettin hyped up about graphics, everyone has their own tastes.

[A.G.]

It's not really a matter of taste. It's like movies. Jurassic Part - wow! The dinosaurs looked REAL! Holy crap! Now... it BETTER look real or you got nothing. But hey, if you can get excited about the same thing over and over, more power to you. For me, if the games looked real in 2000 it should come as no suprise that they look real in 2006. That's why MGS4 doesn't strike the same hype that MGS2 did. Yeah it looks good, but it's not mindblowing.

[blackjaguar]

I'm not to fussed on how Graphics look either was excited to read all about how the environment and surroundings will all be affected by the battles. Still havn't seen much of that in the trailers yet though.

[TheBrotherOfLight]

This bit of news will probably send the people who actually thought that 9 GB DVD's were enough for this generation of gaming into a frenzy, but as crazy as it sounds, Hideo Kojima recently said that "Blu-Ray is too small for Metal Gear Solid 4."
The current spec of Blu-Ray is only 25 GB, and he wants the newer spec 50 GB Blu-Ray for MGS4. (Not a Dual Layer 25 GB Blu-Ray, but the single layer 50 GB Blu-Ray)

While Hideo Kojima doesn't necesarily care much about HD, he says there's a lot you can do with sound that would fill up a Blu-Ray disc really quickly. On top of everything else in the game this apparently makes the game go way past the 25 GB limit. And Kojima said that he wants to use the new higher spec 50 GB Blu-Ray for MGS4.

Well I guess that confirms it. MGS4 for Xbox 360, an 18 disc box set! lol
On a serious note though, it looks like MGS4 on X360 won't even be possible.

This was reported on a podcast for 1 up yesterday. You can search for it on iTunes. It's called "1 up yours" but it's an hour long. I recorded that part of the pod cast though if anyone wants to listen.

www.megaupload.com/?d=QPELQCTS

This is pretty crazy though. I didn't expect a first generation PS3 title to push the limits of Blu-Ray already!
Good luck for pirates ripping this game though. Making backups of 50 GB games doesn't sound easy.
Hideo Kojima is indeed a genius though, and all of this makes me more excited about playing MGS4 and finally seeing what Kojima has in store for us

[TheBrotherOfLight]

From someone over at GameTrailers:

some editor's from GamePro had the chance to have a amazing interview
with Hideo Kojima, thing is, its only in their magazine that i just
bought (january issue)

i would scan all the pages, but sadly i have no scanner, so ill take the
liberty of summerizing this article for you guys (cause im nice like
that )

Weapon Mods are a go!!
thats right! we'll be able to custimize your arsenal! anything from laser
sights, grenade launchers, flash lights, scopes are definitely in, and
silencers for that sli sneaker in all of us

he didnt say how we would be able to obtain all of these weapon mods though, but he did hint that he is toying with the idea of players sharing them through some kind of trading system, be it online or player-to-player....but no specifics ofcourse( he said that he cant reveal to much, b/c the gun mods tie to closely to the plot) but he was quoted, "You'll be really surprised by the number of gun customizations"

there would be prototype of current next-gen military hardware, as well as
some imaginary weapons in the final game, and then mentions, " Hand-to-hand weapons play a big role in MGS4"....but stops shortly, "that gives away a little bit of how you complete the game, actually"

New moves for an Old Snake
"I want players to synchronize with Snake's emotions. He's kind of old,
hes going to die soon...something no typical hero would do.Its
taboo"...he was talking about Snakes most obvious new move, all the
rolling and moving that he would perform on the ground, we saw Snake
feign death, wriggle across a battlefield to toss a grenade and wipe
out a squad of troops, so most of snakes new abilities involve him on
the ground.

But even with the expanded range of actions, Veterans should feel right at home with the basic control scheme. Most of Snake's old moves return, hiding inside objects and tapping a wall to miss direct a soldier, but his signature back-to-the-wall stealth pose is gone, making room for a more fluid, seamless system that will allow him to sneak quick peaks while behind cover.....awsome

On enemy/ally A.I.
(my favorite part!) The emotional state of Snakes enemies will also serve
as an important battlefield. If an enemy is scared, he wont spend to
much time looking for Snake, but if the enemy is calm and cautious,
he'll take time to sweep the area. On the subject of enemy emotional
states, Kojima gives an example of inducting "panic" in a foe is by
shooting at the ground near his feet, or maybe by wiping out members of
a squad, leaving the survivers to fend for themselves

"The enemies are not necessarily always after Snake this time. You're in a
battlefield, meaning that Snake can be an enemy or ally to the other
characters". Basically, affiliations will be a constant motion, Snake
can almost instantly swap alliances from one group of enemies to
another in the name of battlefield advantage..you'll be able to swap
alliances at nearly any time

Kojima-san even gives us a perfect example, "Snake is sneaking behind country A's tank in order to pass undetected through a war zone. But since you're using Country A's tank for cover, you'll want to protect it...even if your not formally allied with country A. So if country B begins to attack the tank, you might want to take out their anti-tank launcher. The alliances arent about politics; their about survival."

"The game will play differently according to the player, thats the bottom line" (...hmmm, multiple endings? i think so!!!)

more info on the Octo-Camo

"in recent months, we've read numerous misconceptions about what the
Octo-camo is and isnt. Kojima talked at great length about the suit. Gamepro proudly presents the highlights of that conversation" (typing it word-for-word)

A valuable stealth tool
"Octo-camo puts a wide variations of sneaking into the game," kojima says,"but its your option as to how you sneak in the battlefield. The suit makes Snake blend in with the background, whether thats a brick wall, a
marble statue, or a burned, bloody corpse"

A new way to personalize Snake
"You dont have to use it to hide. Its like the camo system in MGS3, so
players can have fun with it. If you like a particular texture, you
could play while wearing that texture"

It WONT let you change shape
"An octopus is an octopus, and it will remain an octopus, so it cannot become a dog. But an octopus might mimic the dogs hair" (I think this just solved our "Young Snake" myth guys)

It's not a super item
"Octo-camo is NOT an almighty tool...its not going to make you invisible. If you get spotted once, you're not going to blend in. Octo-camo is not the
central gimmick of MGS4, its just one aspect of Sneaking"

PSP-to-Ps3 interactivity confirmed!!!
i think its obvious to all MGS fans that MPO will tie in closely to MGS4,
although he did confirm PSP-to-Ps3 connectivity, he barely had anything
else to say about it other than this, "Ofcourse it will tie in, but its
very difficult to share details"..........Could the PSP tie into the
weapon mod-sharing/trading scheme he also hinted at? i really really
hope so

SixAxis moves in the works!!
Kojima-san could not say a dam thing about this topic. But the gamepro guys had guesses, "the tilt sensor will be used for leaning around corners, or possibly for aiming in first-person mode. Its also possible it will tie
into snakes ground-based maneuvers, but thats little more than
conjecture"

Kojima on Rumble
( i LUV this part!) "I already said to SCE president Ken Kutaragi that i want the rumble feature back" ( ! you tell him Kojima! Put that fool in his place!! :lol

Online!!!
Kojima expressed interest in online gameplay as a whole, but the shape of
MGS4's online component is as elusive as Snake himself. Some of the
onus may lie with Sony: Kojima noted that Sony still hasnt had much to
say regarding its own Ps3 online plans.

But Kojima may decide that the online component might arrive later, as happend with MGS3:Subsistence, He's interested in the possibilities of online gameplay, but isnt talking specifics at the moment. I can confirm there will be interaction with Portable Ops, however.

Finale notes
i read this VERY surprising part that Kojima was gona put MGS4 in a full
blown World War III, which he thought could serve as a suitably big
finale for the series. But then Kojima wrote off the idea entirely,
switching gears to a new, darker premise that would set Snake amidst a
non-stop cycle of war-for-profit fought by private military companies
(PMC's)

About the "Young Snake" in the trailer
The GamePro guys couldnt get Kojima to budge on this topic, so dont bother asking about the injections he takes either: Kojima toyed with their
emotions, jokingly calling them "garlic shots". But he did confirm that
the injections play a critical role in the final game

On complaints of long cinema scenes
"I am always influenced by all this feedback, and i personally think that
the cutscenes are long as well. But we didnt make cinemas shorter
before b/c we might lessen the emotional factor or fail to give enough
explanation. This time, yes, i am thinking about making them shorter"

On cutting Snakes classic pose (back-to-wall)
"The signature Snake pose rarely happens on the battlefield. Nobody is cool enough
to hide like that. By eliminating this move, its more like in real
life. Snake can hide behind something, then sneak a peak and shoot.
There are more actions to it, and its more smooth that way"