MGS5 hidden ending

[A.G.]

Everyone seen this yet?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=V7VxGn7Piew

Nuclear disarmament. Hmmm... I seem to recall Outer Heaven having a nuke. lol This is why I hate missing links. They add these stupid plots in that don't flow with existing games. Just think, what do we take away from MGS5?

- you the player, Venom Snake, are Big Boss. Go on, build your future.
- no more nukes! Nukes are bad. Venom Snake, you, will build a nuke-free world.

But, the next game is Metal Gear where Venom Snake is running Outer Heaven with a nuclear equipped Metal Gear and gets killed by Solid Snake. lol Seriously, it's so pointless!

[fgdj2000]

I think it's a fun aspect that kind of mimics real life. It will never come to this secret ending, because we will not have a full nuclear disarmament - neither in the game nor in real life.
So feel free to see it as an optional non-canon ending, like the Otacon ending in MGS1.

[Cerberus_0408]

The problem is, how the hell can Kojima contradict himself in such a ridiculous way??

Clearly ALL the games centre around some type of nuclear WMD. And with such an ending... well I'm truly speechless.

[A.G.]

Oct 29, 2015 2:44:53 GMT -5 fgdj2000 said:

I think it's a fun aspect that kind of mimics real life. It will never come to this secret ending, because we will not have a full nuclear disarmament - neither in the game nor in real life.
So feel free to see it as an optional non-canon ending, like the Otacon ending in MGS1.

No, that's not a reason. That's making up an excuse. The Otacon ending in MGS1 is not the same thing, not by a long shot. The game intentionally made two endings and it held up until MGS4. This MGS5 ending is canon. And there is nothing fun about it. It's another pointless move.

[Cerberus_0408]

I think the standard of MGS games, following MGS4, started declining due to the numerous retcons/ contradictions/ plot holes etc. Kojima desperately needs to repair sh!t and fast if he wants his fanbase to remain loyal.

[fgdj2000]

Oct 29, 2015 21:24:38 GMT -5 A.G. said:

Oct 29, 2015 2:44:53 GMT -5 fgdj2000 said:

I think it's a fun aspect that kind of mimics real life. It will never come to this secret ending, because we will not have a full nuclear disarmament - neither in the game nor in real life.
So feel free to see it as an optional non-canon ending, like the Otacon ending in MGS1.

No, that's not a reason. That's making up an excuse. The Otacon ending in MGS1 is not the same thing, not by a long shot. The game intentionally made two endings and it held up until MGS4. This MGS5 ending is canon. And there is nothing fun about it. It's another pointless move.

No, it's not. It's an ending specifically for the multiplayer component, e.g. the SOB system. It rewards the players of the world if they stick together and disarm any virtual nukes. And it's not even difinitive. Kaz actually says, people will start developing nukes again at some point.
Also, MGS isn't a history. It's a game. And interactive medium. And Kojima prioritizes player involvement over a fully devoloped alternate history (even though he indulges in it sometimes) - alway has.

btw. It's actually canon with MG2

(also, this is my 100th post - funny)

[Cerberus_0408]

Also, MGS isn't a history. It's a game. And interactive medium. And Kojima prioritizes player involvement over a fully devoloped alternate history (even though he indulges in it sometimes) - alway has.

I dunno if this is directed to my comment, but bro, tell me, please tell me, when did I ever mention anything about 'history' in my post? I KNOW for a fact that MGS is a farking GAME! If it wasn't a game...Hell, if I knew nothing about it being a game I wouldn't even be here in the first place!

And who the hell said that Kojima never 'prioritised player involvement over a fully developed alternate history', 'cuz it sure as fark wasn't me. I never once said that the man had some priority for one thing over another; I merely stated a fact. He seriously needs to touch up the innumerable errors in MGS before it's too late.

[fgdj2000]

No, I don't know, what you're reading into here. I was just opposing the notion that MGSV and MGSPW are sh!t, PURELY because they present continuity issues. Now, for one, the issues (at least with PW) aren't as numerable as many make them out to be. Secondly the games still tell compelling stories on their own and I think it's a shame that some people here bash them purely on the basis of being too different, relly.

(Now, MGSV's story may have some big issues, but seriously with expectations so high and so much of the experience being spoiled, I don't really know in how far this is really the game's fault, that it was so disappointing storywise to many fans. I think maybe 5 years from know when the hype is all but forgotten and people look upon the game with fresh perspectives, they might see more in this game, just as they did with MGS2 after some years.)

[blackjaguar]

As far as anyone knows this ending is impossible to get I don't see how it can be taken as Canonical at all. At the moment it is less canon than the Otacon ending in MGS1 as mentioned.

[Cerberus_0408]

Nov 1, 2015 8:59:46 GMT -5 fgdj2000 said:

No, I don't know, what you're reading into here. I was just opposing the notion that MGSV and MGSPW are sh!t, PURELY because they present continuity issues. Now, for one, the issues (at least with PW) aren't as numerable as many make them out to be. Secondly the games still tell compelling stories on their own and I think it's a shame that some people here bash them purely on the basis of being too different, relly.

(Now, MGSV's story may have some big issues, but seriously with expectations so high and so much of the experience being spoiled, I don't really know in how far this is really the game's fault, that it was so disappointing storywise to many fans. I think maybe 5 years from know when the hype is all but forgotten and people look upon the game with fresh perspectives, they might see more in this game, just as they did with MGS2 after some years.)

I wouldn't say they're sh!t 'PURELY because of continuity issues' but folks on the net have different opinions.
www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681794-metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain/66538751

[edward18]

MGS2 wasn't going back in the timeline and completely messing up the original material.

[Cerberus_0408]

MGS2 being a hated game; see below links.

www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/metal-gear-solid-2-must-be-the-worst-sequel-ever-m-28980837/?page=4

www.vice.com/read/metal-gear-solid-2-sons-of-liberty-was-the-game-that-stopped-me-being-a-fanboy-220

[fgdj2000]

Nov 1, 2015 20:49:50 GMT -5 edward18 said:

MGS2 wasn't going back in the timeline and completely messing up the original material.

But it was equally controversial upon release with the critics giving high scores, the gameplay being praised, the story being bashed and many fans being disappointed.

[Cerberus_0408]

The story was indeed farking up the experience for me. Like, how the hell was SNAKE to blame for the tanker assault even if he was clearly KILLED? Why is Vamp invincible? What happens to Raiden and Rose; do they end up together? How is an MG active in the MIDDLE of the story?...

I guess I can bitch and moan forever but it just pisses me off.

[A.G.]

Nov 4, 2015 14:24:50 GMT -5 fgdj2000 said:

Nov 1, 2015 20:49:50 GMT -5 edward18 said:

MGS2 wasn't going back in the timeline and completely messing up the original material.

But it was equally controversial upon release with the critics giving high scores, the gameplay being praised, the story being bashed and many fans being disappointed.

The difference is that MGS2 actually had a brilliant concept. The execution could've been done better, but the idea was very clever. Raider evolves more than any character in the Metal Gear series during the Big Shell. He starts out as an unknown, a blank slate who is a Snake fanboy. The game ends with him physically rejecting the player and player expectations to become his own character. It's the opposite in MGS5. All along you think you are Big Boss only to find out at the end that you are just a random medic who gets killed in the following chapter by the star of the series. MGS5 builds to nothing. The future, as its explained to Venom, isn't actually up to you. We already know how it plays out.