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Post by A.G. on Jan 31, 2011 21:42:36 GMT -5
HELLO!..... hello....hello....
LOL
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Post by The Mad Jackyl on Feb 1, 2011 23:08:38 GMT -5
I won't die...not so long as YOU still live...
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Post by daniel on Feb 6, 2011 13:43:33 GMT -5
No offense intended, but it doesn't surprise me that this place is... well, dead. And you're making most of the topics, AG...
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Post by A.G. on Feb 7, 2011 0:11:20 GMT -5
You know the funny thing is that everyone likes to make observations but nobody really steps up to change things. A forum is made by people, not the administrator. I only work on the site, I can't make or break the forum. That's up to the people.
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Post by daniel on Feb 8, 2011 23:24:42 GMT -5
But it seems they're over at other forums. I just want to catalog a couple of sites that I think are worth noting.
I vaguely recall your dislike (or partial dislike) of TUS, because they had greater forum activity. For a time, I enjoyed that place. That is until somehow, inexplicably, new management took over and immediately decided to turn that place into a sh*thole. That place was swarming with spambots, drama queens, elitist pricks and snobs, basement dwellers and forum staff who probably have a fail-heavy real life. They'd ban and "destroy" any user that even looked the slightest of wrong, without thought or retract. Those new losers were just an ignorant and arrogant bunch. Now they're practically ruined.
The Snake Soup is an awesome place with a chill forum that I still occasionally visit.
MGSaga.net I had respect for. That site was partnered with TUS, though I don't know if they still are. But then eventually the owner decided to pamper and freeload his ego and before he could project his own internet elitism towards me, I strayed away from him and the site.
There is also mgforums. That place is nice, though it inevitably has its own small handful of trolls.
The very first fansite of Metal Gear, as in extensive one, I visisted was the Outer Heaven Resistance HQ. I'm still upset and concerned to this day why the site owner seems to have disappeared from site developing (and possibly the internet) for over 2 years, now, not even responding to emails. I remember he mentioned surgeries in the past, I really hope the worst hadn't happened.
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Post by A.G. on Feb 9, 2011 11:47:11 GMT -5
I'm failing to see your point here. Are you offering some suggestions or just stating the obvious? lol It's not my concern what is going on other sites. If you have some suggestions, I'm listening. Know some people that may want a new place to chat, not that there is a shortage of them out there  ? Let them know about this place. Ideally I would love to find someone that can run the forum for me. I have little interest in Metal Gear beyond MGS4 and the site is pretty much done. I feel it has all that I wanted to put on it (still going to do the Expanded Universe section). But the forum is a different thing. Honestly, I don't have the time or the desire to care about it. I'm going to be 30 this year. I've had MGF up for 10 years now! It's the oldest active MG fansite online. Everyone that I was in the running with back then are long gone. So if someone capable can really work some magic on the message board and keep it active, it would be great. |
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Post by The Mad Jackyl on Feb 9, 2011 14:38:20 GMT -5
I guess I would be a likely candidate for taking over forum matters. As your most-trusted lieutenant (channeling Fox here) and all...
I've got two MGS essays written (in notebooks), but have yet to transcribe and format them in electronic format.
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Post by A.G. on Feb 9, 2011 20:45:13 GMT -5
I'm all up for you running to forum, to be honest. My only concern is how do we bring it back to life? If you can revive it I'de be happy to make you an admin to run the place.
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Post by daniel on Feb 10, 2011 12:17:46 GMT -5
I'm failing to see your point here. Are you offering some suggestions or just stating the obvious? lol It's not my concern what is going on other sites. I hate to disrespect and am trying to be as polite as I can about this matter; was hoping I could beat around the bush, so to speak, and you'd get the idea, but... Basically, I get the feeling that people frequent other forums and this place is progressively dying because of several things. Being the oldest active fansite around, one would expect the place to be very active and full of community contributions, in much the same way an old fansite like doomworld would be (for the Doom series); but it's not. And that's a problem. Some of these reasons include the way many people perceive the nature and circumstances of the main site, the forum and also you, AG. I don't want to elaborate on this, because that would be insinuating such that I'll probably cross unnecessary borders and, again, I don't intend to disrespect. There really isn't much I could suggest at this point; the site and forum have followed a specific layout and order which is really hard to change for the better after a long time. If you want an increase in activity, major changes would have to be done and I'm willing to bet that these wouldn't be in the best of your interest. |
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Post by A.G. on Feb 10, 2011 17:04:51 GMT -5
First of all, the whole concept of a fansite is very outdated. And unlike 10 years ago, there really is no need for one. Second, I don't see anything wrong with the main site. It's just about the only one out there that actually offers information about the series. I haven't seen many that do.
Nature and cicumstances of the site? Like what? As for people's perseption of me... If I believe in something, I will argue for it. I will bring up facts. And I am not going to respect people's opinions just because they have them. If they can't back them up or at least make an effort to, I see no reason to validate them in my eyes. Nor do I ask anyone to validate mine when I can't back them up.
Don't worry, you won't offend me. Please, do tell what's not in my best interest.
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Post by daniel on Feb 10, 2011 23:20:54 GMT -5
First of all, the whole concept of a fansite is very outdated. And unlike 10 years ago, there really is no need for one. Second, I don't see anything wrong with the main site. It's just about the only one out there that actually offers information about the series. I haven't seen many that do. As long as new games, especially in series, come out; as long as there's internet and as long as there are fans, the concept of fansites will never be outdated. If there really is no need for fansites, all Metal Gear fansites, for example, would be ghost towns. Although, yes you are right, not many sites offer information about the series. But you kinda overlooked some of the ones I pointed out. But I also forgot to point out the Metal Gear Wiki. If you ask me, a huge amount of site activity is going on over at that wiki because... well, it's a wiki and it's dedicated to Metal Gear. And from what I've seen, it's an impressively growing archive of information (whether the info is accurate or not is subjective, but one would always expect that of wiki's). There is easy access to almost any subject relating to the Metal Gear series, like characters or in-game plot elements for example. I trust the info there is reliable, seeing as how much it evolved from the last time I saw it (in 2007, I believe, where it was so preliminary and informal; and someone actually put a Final Fantasy article in there "just 'cuz"). Nature and cicumstances of the site? Like what? As for people's perseption of me... If I believe in something, I will argue for it. I will bring up facts. And I am not going to respect people's opinions just because they have them. If they can't back them up or at least make an effort to, I see no reason to validate them in my eyes. Nor do I ask anyone to validate mine when I can't back them up. What troubles me is that: you are not going to respect other people's opinions? That's not exactly a good thing. Very often, people have an opinion on something because they choose that opinion, ie just because they have them. Sure, you don't have to agree or abide by someone else's opinion, but to not respect it is a different story and there's a problem there. Opinion isn't fact. One does not need to "back up" their opinion any more than they feel the need to. Perhaps the word you're looking for is elaborate, but again, that's their decision (and how it'll affect other's attitude towards them). You can start with that. |
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Post by A.G. on Feb 11, 2011 1:12:10 GMT -5
But it IS an outdated concept! Anyone with a fansite can tell you that. Even the folks at the Soup. Wikipedia and larger gaming networks made fansite useless. When I started MGF, infromation was NOT available just anywhere. You really had to hunt it down, piece by piece. That's what made fasite useful. Especially one like MGF that can offer in-depth info in one place. But now there is no need for something like that. And forums on larger sites like IGN or GameTrailers far surpass any fansite. Sorry, but fansites are a dying concept. That's why I only kept mine as my personal tribute to the series, nothing more.
Depends on how that opinion is issued, doesn't it? LOL If it's a debate situation, you are dead wrong. If someone told me that they enjoyed Metal Gear Acid more than say Metal Gear Solid 3, that's they own personal preference. But if they said that MGA was BETTER than MGS3, I would expect something to back that statement up. And I don't have to respect that statement unless they can make an effort to provide some evidence.
And most of my "bad reputation" is in fact based on those scenarios. When it's an argument or a debate, I expect people to step up and provide facts, not just a silly personal statement. If they can't, I don't have to look at it as anything but hot air.
Finally I have a question for you. What's your point? You haven't told me anything I don't already know and/or disagree with. I'm not trying to be rude to you, but do you have some valid suggestions or are you going to just regurgitate the obvious like most others?
Again, I'm not here to figure out how to "save" the place. LOL It's a fansite. And by it's very nature a very thankless project. I've only done it because I loved the Metal Gear series and wanted to make something as a tribute.
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Post by daniel on Feb 11, 2011 13:47:10 GMT -5
But it IS an outdated concept! Anyone with a fansite can tell you that. Even the folks at the Soup. Wikipedia and larger gaming networks made fansite useless. When I started MGF, infromation was NOT available just anywhere. You really had to hunt it down, piece by piece. That's what made fasite useful. Especially one like MGF that can offer in-depth info in one place. But now there is no need for something like that. And forums on larger sites like IGN or GameTrailers far surpass any fansite. Sorry, but fansites are a dying concept. That's why I only kept mine as my personal tribute to the series, nothing more. Fair enough. Isn't saying "X is better than Y" just a matter of opinion? And you don't seem to think so, but by enjoying X more than Y, they imply that, to them, X IS better than Y. There is no rule stating that one is better than the other. That's all a matter of an individual's opinion. Fans of turn-based card games will say that MGA is better than the official games. While fans of actual game playing will say the opposite. Does that make one of these groups of fans "better" or more "true" than the other? Not at all. "X is better than Y" is a matter of opinion and again, if someone truly feels that they like one thing and don't feel like elaborating on it, other people shouldn't get offended. That's just a flaming case of fanboyism and bad judgement. Just simply acknowledge "You like this more than that? Fine, that's what you think/your opinion. But I think the other one is better. We just have different tastes, plain and simple." You can't force someone else to change their preferences to match your's. If their differing preference somehow bothers you, that's not a good thing. There is no "facts" to provide to support in a debate... about one's opinions. Facts are information that are universally regarded as true. How does this apply in a debate about conflicting opinions? And that's just it: would this MGF board be the only place you'd want to debate with people over topics like this? Then what would be the point of them even trying? GAH! That's enough about the nature of debates from me  The point is: if people are going to argue about things WITHIN the game's universe (gameplay, plot, etc) then THAT's where they should provide facts to support their side of the argument. You want to welcome more people to this board? Well you can start by being more open and welcoming about MGA series and also Snake's Revenge. Those mentioned games have had quite a few topics in the past in gaming forums from people who are interested in those games. The main site merely mentions these games, AFAIK. They don't even have a section like Ghost Babel does. That could bring interest into the forum. Ok, I guess finally, my point is to give you a suggestion or two now: Be more open about the other non-canon... "non-worthy" spinoffs, participate more in those discussions (in a good way, of course), make discussions about them yourself, too. Perhaps have them more than just mentioned on your site, in a separate section. By the way, there is some outdated info on the site I think. The Metal Gear Solid 2 Bande Desinée was cancelled, AFAIR. |
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Post by A.G. on Feb 11, 2011 14:49:25 GMT -5
LOL That's the point. I'm not interested in participating in Metal Gear Discussions. I've done that for over a decade on many forums. That's why I would prefer someone else runs the board. Someone that still has interest. It was released in Japan, not US. I have it. I have no interest in those games. It takes a lot of time and effort to put in as much info and design as I have into the game sections. I would personally view it as a waste of my time to do sections on games as those. Plus I'm out of space anyway and I won't pay to get more. As I said, my interest of the series ended with MGS4. Expanded Universe is the only section that I'll be adding, and it won't be as in-depth as the main sections. You need to understand that I'm done. I have no interest in discussing/debating Metal Gear. Developing the site for even more coverage. Or even checking up on the news. I really don't. If someone else wants to run the forum here and grow the community THEIR way, I'm open to it.  |
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Post by daniel on Feb 11, 2011 18:53:57 GMT -5
Yeah, but even though you have no interest in those non-cannon games, have you considered the interest of others? Like perhaps potential newcomers to this forum who'd want to discuss those games? That's a good start to bring back forum activity.
I wouldn't say it's a waste of time if you're doing it to revive forum activity. And you don't even have to make big sections, just include essential facts in point form with an image or two. That's that.
My only suggestion left.
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? Let them know about this place. 
The point is: if people are going to argue about things WITHIN the game's universe (gameplay, plot, etc) then THAT's where they should provide facts to support their side of the argument. You want to welcome more people to this board? Well you can start by being more open and welcoming about MGA series and also Snake's Revenge. Those mentioned games have had quite a few topics in the past in gaming forums from people who are interested in those games. The main site merely mentions these games, AFAIK. They don't even have a section like Ghost Babel does. That could bring interest into the forum.